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Post by XRaySpecs on Feb 7, 2024 9:04:36 GMT -6
Jake on Kyle Anderson:
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Post by Bonecrusher on Feb 7, 2024 9:50:19 GMT -6
McDaniels needs to be sat down and let NAW take his place til he stops with the stupid shit.
And I'm truly tired of being killed by (I have a potty mouth)ing "marginal contact". I get that Jim Pete is a bit of a homer but when he's calling out the egregiousness of the terrible calls it has become obvious.
And I also know how sick and tired I am of KAT and ANT complaining about no calls but Jesus how obvious is it that they are not getting any favorable calls. Yes if three people are surrounding ANT when he drives there are people open so he can pass to the open man but sometimes that isn't possible and to have a none call or bullshit "marginal contact" has to be put to an end.
To go with that, the Coach needs to start benching people for not doing their job. Bench the entire lot of them. They really need to figure out how to stop the bleeding because at this rate if we get past the first round I will be surprised.
We have an incredibly great team but they love to keep shooting themselves in the foot.
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Post by kingsxman on Feb 7, 2024 10:35:51 GMT -6
I just hate it when we get all cocky when things are bouncing well in a first half. Instead of a killer instinct we have a cocky instinct that comes back with a vengeance way too often. Let them get rolling and build momentum. Deserved to lose. McDaniels is a major problem. At what point do you remove him from the closing lineup? If this is the player Jaden is going to be then we're absolutely hosed long term with the money he's due. Guys like Caruso and even NAW play D better or close to Jaden and cost a fraction while offering similar production offensively. I have come to realize that I prefer it when the wolves are down at halftime. I wonder what our record is when we are down at halftime vs when we are up? The sense of urgency leaves this team in a hurry when they are up. At this point I hope Finch starts putting NAW in to close games. There just isnt enough room in the western conference standings to keep f***ing around with Jaden and his low BBIQ plays. Granted, maybe I'm missing something in that Jaden is doing something that NAW cant do at the end of games. But from my vantage point, NAW is at least 80% the defender that Jaden is and NAW doesnt usually make stupid plays in the last few minutes that cost us. Mike Conley has not been great over the last month. I wouldnt say he's a "problem", but he hasnt really been the solution either. I actually thought that we moved the ball relatively well late in the game last night. (Then again it was 3:00 in the morning when I was watching the last 3 minutes so maybe I was dreaming). I didnt see a ton of stickyness other than KAT and ANT driving into 3 people again. Wait...I guess thats sticky. They wait far too long to make a decision on whether to pass or not. By the time they think maybe they should pass...they are surrounded by 3 defenders and passing is no longer an option. I still believe the solution to this issue comes from quick decision making...which Ant and Kat in particular are unable to do.
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Post by levine on Feb 7, 2024 10:36:22 GMT -6
Jake Paynting pointed this out in his game wrap (check out Howls and Growls!):
He put the general unease I've had on Conley into words. Mike is great at what he does, but he really can't give more at this point. He can get the team into a set, but he's can't get a bucket on his own at all anymore and with Rudy out there, it really focuses late game offense on Ant, KAT, and Jaden who happen to be our worst decision makers.
If Conley is still nursing a bad hammy, he should sit until we return from the ASB.
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Post by XRaySpecs on Feb 7, 2024 10:44:58 GMT -6
I get that Jim Pete is a bit of a homer but when he's calling out the egregiousness of the terrible calls it has become obvious. Personally, I'm getting a little annoyed with Jim calling so much attention to the officiating. It's fine to do that once in a while, but then you need to make just a big of a deal about it when we benefit from a missed call. Those kind of just get snuck in there. I just dislike that there's so much blame towards the officials by the players and fans of this team. It distracts from the obvious improvements we need to make. The simple fact is this: EVERY TEAM THINKS THEY'RE GETTING A BAD WHISTLE. They're all correct because officiating is REALLY hard. I just think it's way more equally unfair than we think. I suspect that if had a magic artificial intelligence that called the game like the rule book says to call it that the Wolves wouldn't be near as happy as they think they'd be.
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Post by XRaySpecs on Feb 7, 2024 10:49:32 GMT -6
If Conley is still nursing a bad hammy, he should sit until we return from the ASB. For sure. Even when he's healthy though, Conley can't really get his own shot that well. Many of the top end teams have 3 guys who can create a little offense on their own in their closing lineups, but the Wolves really don't in part because Conley has limitations in that regard. I'm not saying he's not a good player or anything as he's so beneficial for most of the game, but in crunch time he's kind of just a spot up shooter (which still has lots of value given how good he is at it). It's a little twisted that Conley and Gobert are a HUGE part of why the Wolves are good, but neither have the traditional game of crunch time players that are needed to be great.
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Post by salty on Feb 7, 2024 10:51:58 GMT -6
McDaniels is a major problem. At what point do you remove him from the closing lineup? If this is the player Jaden is going to be then we're absolutely hosed long term with the money he's due. Guys like Caruso and even NAW play D better or close to Jaden and cost a fraction while offering similar production offensively. Jaden plays a good game every now and then. The games in between are filled with poor shooting, poor ball handling, average defense and mind boggling bad decision making. He is going to be the most over paid player in the league next season.
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Post by tmirvin on Feb 7, 2024 13:41:50 GMT -6
I get that Jim Pete is a bit of a homer but when he's calling out the egregiousness of the terrible calls it has become obvious. Personally, I'm getting a little annoyed with Jim calling so much attention to the officiating. It's fine to do that once in a while, but then you need to make just a big of a deal about it when we benefit from a missed call. Those kind of just get snuck in there. I just dislike that there's so much blame towards the officials by the players and fans of this team. It distracts from the obvious improvements we need to make. The simple fact is this: EVERY TEAM THINKS THEY'RE GETTING A BAD WHISTLE. They're all correct because officiating is REALLY hard. I just think it's way more equally unfair than we think. I suspect that if had a magic artificial intelligence that called the game like the rule book says to call it that the Wolves wouldn't be near as happy as they think they'd be. I watched the game with the bulls announcers and near the end they couldn't believe white (I think it was white) didn't get a foul call, but ant did when Caruso blocked. Then the reply showed and Stacey king was like oh, it was on derozen. But then he mentioned that derozen "barely" hit ant. So yes, every team thinks they don't get a fair whistle. You know what gets me - Billy D used 2 challenges and won them both. Finch didn't use any (that I recall anyways) & white had an and-1 where he wasn't touched at all. If finch challenged that, he would (most likely) have been successful and saved a point. This was late in the game too. Sure this was another terrible loss where they squandered a big lead. But really, coby white caught fire and made like 8 shots in a row. Sure, somebody should have stepped up and made him miss during that run, but what he did is rare, even for the NBA. Not having the third ref at the end didn't help either
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Post by Scorched on Feb 7, 2024 13:49:27 GMT -6
Personally, I'm getting a little annoyed with Jim calling so much attention to the officiating. It's fine to do that once in a while, but then you need to make just a big of a deal about it when we benefit from a missed call. Those kind of just get snuck in there. I just dislike that there's so much blame towards the officials by the players and fans of this team. It distracts from the obvious improvements we need to make. The simple fact is this: EVERY TEAM THINKS THEY'RE GETTING A BAD WHISTLE. They're all correct because officiating is REALLY hard. I just think it's way more equally unfair than we think. I suspect that if had a magic artificial intelligence that called the game like the rule book says to call it that the Wolves wouldn't be near as happy as they think they'd be. I watched the game with the bulls announcers and near the end they couldn't believe white (I think it was white) didn't get a foul call, but ant did when Caruso blocked. Then the reply showed and Stacey king was like oh, it was on derozen. But then he mentioned that derozen "barely" hit ant. So yes, every team thinks they don't get a fair whistle. You know what gets me - Billy D used 2 challenges and won them both. Finch didn't use any (that I recall anyways) & white had an and-1 where he wasn't touched at all. If finch challenged that, he would (most likely) have been successful and saved a point. This was late in the game too. Sure this was another terrible loss where they squandered a big lead. But really, coby white caught fire and made like 8 shots in a row. Sure, somebody should have stepped up and made him miss during that run, but what he did is rare, even for the NBA. Not having the third ref at the end didn't help either Finch used his challenge early and lost it like usual.
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Post by XRaySpecs on Feb 7, 2024 14:00:51 GMT -6
Finch used his challenge early and lost it like usual. Wolves had been really good on challenges earlier in the season, but it does seem like they have missed on a bunch more recently.
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Post by XRaySpecs on Feb 7, 2024 14:06:49 GMT -6
I watched the game with the bulls announcers and near the end they couldn't believe white (I think it was white) didn't get a foul call, but ant did when Caruso blocked. Then the reply showed and Stacey king was like oh, it was on derozen. But then he mentioned that derozen "barely" hit ant. So yes, every team thinks they don't get a fair whistle. Yes. And just to be clear I am definitely not saying there aren't missed calls. There absolutely are. I just don't buy that idea that the Wolves are the team who is being singled out. Moreover, the focus on the officiating is limiting what should be much longer looks in the mirror from the team. I guess it's fine for the fans to have someone to villainze if we want to blame the refs, but they're not the reason (or even close really) to why the Wolves lost last night.
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Post by Bonecrusher on Feb 7, 2024 14:50:53 GMT -6
I watched the game with the bulls announcers and near the end they couldn't believe white (I think it was white) didn't get a foul call, but ant did when Caruso blocked. Then the reply showed and Stacey king was like oh, it was on derozen. But then he mentioned that derozen "barely" hit ant. So yes, every team thinks they don't get a fair whistle. Yes. And just to be clear I am definitely not saying there aren't missed calls. There absolutely are. I just don't buy that idea that the Wolves are the team who is being singled out. Moreover, the focus on the officiating is limiting what should be much longer looks in the mirror from the team. I guess it's fine for the fans to have someone to villainze if we want to blame the refs, but they're not the reason (or even close really) to why the Wolves lost last night. I'm not buying into the Wolves being singled out just saying there are some egregious calls that have been missed and the hot mic with the official saying it (foul on KAT at end of game) was "marginal contact" is total bullshit and the reason I'm upset is it clearly cost us the game especially the stupid T on SloMo. I'm sure any ref could call a T on any bench during some close games but they don't. Is it a grand conspiracy of some kind? I very much doubt it but I do ask the question. If KAT or ANT were on a East Coast or West Coast team would they have been voted to be starters for the All Star Game? There is no doubt the NBA wants KAT and ANT elsewhere but do I think they've talked the referee's to screw the team? I do not, but I do think we are not getting some calls that other teams are.
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Post by tmirvin on Feb 7, 2024 16:10:01 GMT -6
I watched the game with the bulls announcers and near the end they couldn't believe white (I think it was white) didn't get a foul call, but ant did when Caruso blocked. Then the reply showed and Stacey king was like oh, it was on derozen. But then he mentioned that derozen "barely" hit ant. So yes, every team thinks they don't get a fair whistle. You know what gets me - Billy D used 2 challenges and won them both. Finch didn't use any (that I recall anyways) & white had an and-1 where he wasn't touched at all. If finch challenged that, he would (most likely) have been successful and saved a point. This was late in the game too. Sure this was another terrible loss where they squandered a big lead. But really, coby white caught fire and made like 8 shots in a row. Sure, somebody should have stepped up and made him miss during that run, but what he did is rare, even for the NBA. Not having the third ref at the end didn't help either Finch used his challenge early and lost it like usual.
I missed that. Do you recall what they challenged?
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Post by XRaySpecs on Feb 7, 2024 16:57:59 GMT -6
Finch used his challenge early and lost it like usual.
I missed that. Do you recall what they challenged? I think it was a call where Ant fouled DeRozan on a turnaround jumper in the first half. It was a marginal foul, but technically a foul.
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Post by kingsxman on Feb 7, 2024 17:44:19 GMT -6
Finch used his challenge early and lost it like usual. Wolves had been really good on challenges earlier in the season, but it does seem like they have missed on a bunch more recently. What I dont understand is why sometimes he seems to "horde" the challenges (like he gets paid extra at the end of the year for all the ones he doenst use) and then other times he'll use it on an out of bounds play in the 2nd quarter. I get that if you win the challenge you get to keep it, but then at best you ony get 1 more challenge. AND it costs you a timeout. To me, challenges should always be saved for taking points off the board, putting points on the board or taking away a foul. 4th quarter in a tight game using a challenge on an out of bounds is fine. But when we have big men foul trouble...I'd be saving the challenge for some of these marginal calls.
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Post by kingsxman on Feb 7, 2024 17:49:59 GMT -6
I watched the game with the bulls announcers and near the end they couldn't believe white (I think it was white) didn't get a foul call, but ant did when Caruso blocked. Then the reply showed and Stacey king was like oh, it was on derozen. But then he mentioned that derozen "barely" hit ant. So yes, every team thinks they don't get a fair whistle. Yes. And just to be clear I am definitely not saying there aren't missed calls. There absolutely are. I just don't buy that idea that the Wolves are the team who is being singled out. Moreover, the focus on the officiating is limiting what should be much longer looks in the mirror from the team. I guess it's fine for the fans to have someone to villainze if we want to blame the refs, but they're not the reason (or even close really) to why the Wolves lost last night. Im going to challenge you a bit here. Its not that the wolves are getting "singled out". Its that they arent "included". There are certain teams and players who always seem to get the benefit of the doubt. I am hoping that Ant gets there but I'm afraid he's been ruined by taking on Kats persona with the refs. We'll be reminded in the playoffs, depending on what "market" we're playing, what its like to not be "included". But in general I agree with you. Shut up and get down the floor. I think it was Jim Pete who said on a recent pod: "What your doing isnt working...so try something else".
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Post by Nick K on Feb 8, 2024 11:59:04 GMT -6
Yep. I read that and agree. I like Kyle but he's hurting us more than helping us. I'd move him if I could but he'll probably be here for the rest of the year.
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