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Post by stretcharmstrong on May 7, 2024 6:46:32 GMT -6
Kyle Anderson is dead to me… I don’t know if he could have looked more lost and disinterested in that set. I get it but he did have 6 pts 9 rebs and 8 asts. What more can you ask for?
OK he does bad things on offense but he fits.
He did have a few bad sets. But, I was pleased with Anderson as a whole. He came in and produced with Rudy out for the game. That is all you can ask from him. He defended, rebounded, etc. But, it seems he is uncertain of his role on offense. His overall contribution in the game was more positive than negative. He actually defended Jokic well early on, stealing one from him.
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Post by stretcharmstrong on May 7, 2024 6:49:40 GMT -6
So will anything happen to Murray for the heat/cold pack incident? Still unbelievable he did that, but there is really no precedent for a player throwing an item on the floor during the game.
We know it will come back with, he thought he was tossing it out of bounds as it was bothering him.
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Post by Bonecrusher on May 7, 2024 7:01:46 GMT -6
Anyone else think that Harlen has lost his announcing style? He isn't nearly as entertaining as when he was with the Wolves. He can’t be the same. When he was with us, the product on the floor was terrible and it was his job to distract the viewers from it. Now he’s not the show anymore. That's understandable but he seemed very homerish towards the Nuggets Saturday and while this was an entertaining game Grady being Grady would be a far better product (imho).
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Post by Bonecrusher on May 7, 2024 7:03:16 GMT -6
I get it but he did have 6 pts 9 rebs and 8 asts. What more can you ask for? OK he does bad things on offense but he fits.
There was a stretch in the fourth quarter when the Wolves went cold where he turned the ball over and got lost on defense enough to allow Denver to cut the lead from 32 to 18… It may not have all been on him - but it felt like they were running the offense through him and he kept making bad decisions. During this time Kyle pulled a Nuggets player to the floor. I don't recall if it was intentional or not but it definitely looked intentional to me. It was a cheap play on his part I thought.
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Post by XRaySpecs on May 7, 2024 7:48:47 GMT -6
Naz Reid
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Post by tmirvin on May 7, 2024 8:00:38 GMT -6
So will anything happen to Murray for the heat/cold pack incident? Still unbelievable he did that, but there is really no precedent for a player throwing an item on the floor during the game. We know it will come back with, he thought he was tossing it out of bounds as it was bothering him. It looked to me that he was trying to hit the ref with it, but he was pretty far away and missed. If I'm being honest, it seemed to me that the wolves were getting away with a ton last night. Yes, the defense was great, but there were so many plays where a foul would have been called on the wolves in the regular season and the refs just let them play last night. Granted, the ref showed great 'restraint' in not t-ing up the Nuggs on multiple occasions. They only response Denver can have in game 3 is to up the physicality, in which case the series is going to get chippy and out of hand. The refs are going to have to rein it back in by calling ticky tack fouls. Towns needs to stop swiping at the ball. He almost always does it when the offensive player has him squared up and still has their dribble. He's not going to get a steal, so why risk a foul call 20+ feet from the basket? It's interesting that that was the best defensive game they've had all season and Rudy was out. Would it have been even better with him there?
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Post by levine on May 7, 2024 8:08:26 GMT -6
He can’t be the same. When he was with us, the product on the floor was terrible and it was his job to distract the viewers from it. Now he’s not the show anymore. That's understandable but he seemed very homerish towards the Nuggets Saturday and while this was an entertaining game Grady being Grady would be a far better product (imho). I loved Harlan when he was here. He and McHale together were terrific - and exactly what we needed at the time. But, IMO, Harlan isn't a great basketball announcer. He's entertaining and high energy and he can fill the dead spaces when the game isn't exciting. But he's not an "authority". You rarely learn anything new about the game or the players from him. And he provides great energy. He's terrific on the National level to keep the casual fan engaged, but I'll take a Hubie Brown or Doris Burke every time. To me, Dave Benz was the WalMart version of Harlan. A guy that could make you laugh and be silly, but not really have any gravitas. Like I've said for a while now, Benz was perfectly fine when we were a bad lottery team. His schtick was to make you laugh at him instead of the product on the floor. But once we started being a serious team, we needed a massive upgrade - enter Grady. That's why I think Michael Grady is one of the Top 5 guys in the game. He does the research, he teaches and informs, but he's also funny when it calls for, serious when he needs to be and he meshes well with whoever he works with. He's never trying to be bigger than the game - he always looks to compliment it.
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Post by levine on May 7, 2024 8:10:34 GMT -6
So will anything happen to Murray for the heat/cold pack incident? Still unbelievable he did that, but there is really no precedent for a player throwing an item on the floor during the game. We know it will come back with, he thought he was tossing it out of bounds as it was bothering him. I looked to me that he was trying to hit the ref with it, but he was pretty far away and missed. If I'm being honest, it seemed to me that the wolves were getting away with a ton last night. Yes, the defense was great, but there were so many plays where a foul would have been called on the wolves in the regular season and the refs just let them play last night. Granted, the ref showed great 'restraint' in not t-ing up the Nuggs on multiple occasions. They only response Denver can have in game 3 is to up the physicality, in which case the series is going to get chippy and out of hand. The refs are going to have to rein it back in by calling ticky tack fouls. Towns needs to stop swiping at the ball. He almost always does it when the offensive player has him squared up and still has their dribble. He's not going to get a steal, so why risk a foul call 20+ feet from the basket? It's interesting that that was the best defensive game they've had all season and Rudy was out. Would it have been even better with him there? I'm pretty sure KAT stepped on it before scoring. Sam Mitchell made the point “what happens if he sprains his ankle and is out for the series? What would the punishment for Murray be?” Sam was pissed.
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Post by stretcharmstrong on May 7, 2024 8:11:54 GMT -6
So will anything happen to Murray for the heat/cold pack incident? Still unbelievable he did that, but there is really no precedent for a player throwing an item on the floor during the game. We know it will come back with, he thought he was tossing it out of bounds as it was bothering him. I looked to me that he was trying to hit the ref with it, but he was pretty far away and missed. If I'm being honest, it seemed to me that the wolves were getting away with a ton last night. Yes, the defense was great, but there were so many plays where a foul would have been called on the wolves in the regular season and the refs just let them play last night. Granted, the ref showed great 'restraint' in not t-ing up the Nuggs on multiple occasions. They only response Denver can have in game 3 is to up the physicality, in which case the series is going to get chippy and out of hand. The refs are going to have to rein it back in by calling ticky tack fouls. Towns needs to stop swiping at the ball. He almost always does it when the offensive player has him squared up and still has their dribble. He's not going to get a steal, so why risk a foul call 20+ feet from the basket? It's interesting that that was the best defensive game they've had all season and Rudy was out. Would it have been even better with him there? Could there have been chippy fouls on the Wolves? I don't know about that. On replays I would watch and while they were swarming, there were no contact fouls or reach ins. It was very well done, which is why it was as amazing a performance as it was. I did see some phantom calls on both teams. And some times that Denver clearly was being very physical with no foul. The most obvious in the 3rd or 4th, Reid drives to the basket and was taken down 80's or 90's style without a foul called. Luckily, the ball went out of bounds off Denver. But, that take down was not clean.
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Post by BIG BAD WOLF on May 7, 2024 8:27:43 GMT -6
Halfway point to the NBA finals! Couldn't get here any quicker or in any better fashion! Let's hope they keep it up! Go Wolves!
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Post by Bonecrusher on May 7, 2024 10:05:41 GMT -6
So will anything happen to Murray for the heat/cold pack incident? Still unbelievable he did that, but there is really no precedent for a player throwing an item on the floor during the game. We know it will come back with, he thought he was tossing it out of bounds as it was bothering him. I looked to me that he was trying to hit the ref with it, but he was pretty far away and missed. If I'm being honest, it seemed to me that the wolves were getting away with a ton last night. Yes, the defense was great, but there were so many plays where a foul would have been called on the wolves in the regular season and the refs just let them play last night. Granted, the ref showed great 'restraint' in not t-ing up the Nuggs on multiple occasions. They only response Denver can have in game 3 is to up the physicality, in which case the series is going to get chippy and out of hand. The refs are going to have to rein it back in by calling ticky tack fouls. Towns needs to stop swiping at the ball. He almost always does it when the offensive player has him squared up and still has their dribble. He's not going to get a steal, so why risk a foul call 20+ feet from the basket? It's interesting that that was the best defensive game they've had all season and Rudy was out. Would it have been even better with him there? Shit. If they were calling ticky tack fouls both Jokic, Murray, would have fouled out as would Jalen, NAW and KAT. Heck I don't even care they didn't t up Malone but I will not tolerate the throwing of shit on the floor. The refs said they would have t'd up Murray for that after the game but no. That needs to end and he needs to be suspended for a game.
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Post by jr on May 7, 2024 10:13:03 GMT -6
What whiny babies the nuggets have been the whole series. Led by Murray. The Wolves were defending without fouling- Murray was the one pushing off and falling down on his own. Yeah there may have been a few bad calls against them but it was a typical playoff whistle. Never seen on ball defense like that just amazing. There were so many times NAW or McD would run with their man and he'd never get free. Or they'd swarm the ball and I'd fully expect to see a foul call because it looked like the swiping/grabbing situation that normally would get called. Then there'd be a replay and sure enough, no contact. It was amazing.
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Post by levine on May 7, 2024 10:17:57 GMT -6
Maybe Denver needs to build a new stadium at even higher altitude...
I mean, we were still full-court pressing up 20+ in the 4th quarter, while the Nuggets looked totally gassed going into halftime.
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Post by jr on May 7, 2024 10:29:01 GMT -6
One thing that bugs me about all the postgame commentary is they give Ant ALL the credit for our play. It's like they can only jump on a bandwagon that some other talking head has said, and that is Ant is the reason we're good. It may be true, but no mention of NAW or McD totally smothering Murray, or Naz blocking shots or the poke-aways that kept Jokic frustrated. Or the timely 3's by Naz and NAW. Or that Rudy has been given credit by his team mates for being the leading defensive force. Granted, Ant may actually be the impetus for all the other guys to play so well just from a mental point of view. His play demands total effort from his team mates. But I've heard no one say the name of NAW or McD except in passing. Naz gets mention because he was named 6th man of the year. All that said, isn't it wonderful hearing the world take notice of the twolves?! In 6 games, they've become the team to beat, according to most. Wow, I'm babbling...
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Post by quinn on May 7, 2024 10:45:29 GMT -6
Maybe Denver needs to build a new stadium at even higher altitude... I mean, we were still full-court pressing up 20+ in the 4th quarter, while the Nuggets looked totally gassed going into halftime. It's just another testament to how deep this Wolves team is. They can really play 1-8 at a high level. Kyle has his moments both good and bad, but he's an exceptional 8th man. It keeps us fresh and is an incredible strength for us when foul trouble or altitude is a factor. It's something that is really hurting Denver right now. Their bench sucks. Plain and simple. We're a better team and it's showing.
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Post by levine on May 7, 2024 11:12:31 GMT -6
Really good stuff here:
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Post by kingsxman on May 7, 2024 12:08:00 GMT -6
So will anything happen to Murray for the heat/cold pack incident? Still unbelievable he did that, but there is really no precedent for a player throwing an item on the floor during the game. We know it will come back with, he thought he was tossing it out of bounds as it was bothering him. I looked to me that he was trying to hit the ref with it, but he was pretty far away and missed. I f I'm being honest, it seemed to me that the wolves were getting away with a ton last night. Yes, the defense was great, but there were so many plays where a foul would have been called on the wolves in the regular season and the refs just let them play last night. Granted, the ref showed great 'restraint' in not t-ing up the Nuggs on multiple occasions. They only response Denver can have in game 3 is to up the physicality, in which case the series is going to get chippy and out of hand. The refs are going to have to rein it back in by calling ticky tack fouls. Towns needs to stop swiping at the ball. He almost always does it when the offensive player has him squared up and still has their dribble. He's not going to get a steal, so why risk a foul call 20+ feet from the basket? It's interesting that that was the best defensive game they've had all season and Rudy was out. Would it have been even better with him there? I think what we witnessed last night was a changing of the NBA guard in terms of officiating. They were letting them play which clearly was to our benefit. We absolutely got by with many things that would have been called during the regular season. Credit the wolves for figuring that out and just continuing to do it. This is why, unless you're the Lakers or the Warriors, you need to learn how to play tough because the whistles you got during the regular season will not be there when the playoffs begin. This is a big reason why the 76ers do so well during the regular season but wilt in the playoffs. That said, I think the Wolves got to take advantage of what it felt like to have the shoe on the other foot. We are usually in Denvers position: seemingly not getting a call while the other team is allowed to practically pull us to the floor. Its entirely possible that we've turned a corner thanks to Ant. Adam Silver's no dummy. He see's that the days of Steph/Lebron/Kawai are numbered. He needs new blood and Ant is that blood. I expect the game to be tighter in Minny as the NBA wont want a sweep but maybe......its our time. I'm still in shock.
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Post by levine on May 7, 2024 12:58:01 GMT -6
I expect the game to be tighter in Minny as the NBA wont want a sweep but maybe......its our time. I'm not so sure. Is Denver coming back to win a game a better story than the upstart Wolves sweeping the champions? Wolves are getting exponentially more air time and press with every win. So far, we're the story of the playoffs. Silver should want to ride that momentum.
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Post by quinn on May 7, 2024 13:19:08 GMT -6
I expect the game to be tighter in Minny as the NBA wont want a sweep but maybe......its our time. I'm not so sure. Is Denver coming back to win a game a better story than the upstart Wolves sweeping the champions? Wolves are getting exponentially more air time and press with every win. So far, we're the story of the playoffs. Silver should want to ride that momentum. It's honestly a little ridiculous. NBA media is riding the Wolves hype train to extreme lengths. It's like they're trying to make up for the lack of attention they gave us during the regular season.
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Post by Bonecrusher on May 7, 2024 13:34:05 GMT -6
I'm not so sure. Is Denver coming back to win a game a better story than the upstart Wolves sweeping the champions? Wolves are getting exponentially more air time and press with every win. So far, we're the story of the playoffs. Silver should want to ride that momentum. It's honestly a little ridiculous. NBA media is riding the Wolves hype train to extreme lengths. It's like they're trying to make up for the lack of attention they gave us during the regular season. Can you blame them? They swept a very solid Phoenix team and are on the verge of sweeping last years champions beating them the first 2 games on their own home court along with dominating defense.
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Post by XRaySpecs on May 7, 2024 13:51:48 GMT -6
On Get Up this morning they just blasted off on Murray's throwing stuff on the court.
The consensus is that he should be suspended. They made several points. -If a player throws something off the court, it's an automatic ejection. -If a fan throws something on the floor, it's an ejection and they can have tickets vacated. -It could have easily caused injury. -They need to protect the refs. He was throwing it at an official!
Windhorst doesn't know that he'll get suspended because there's not a rule about it. If not, there will be next year. Just an utterly immature move by Murray. If he's not suspended, he'll probably be hearing from Wolves fans on Friday!
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Post by XRaySpecs on May 7, 2024 14:30:25 GMT -6
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Post by stretcharmstrong on May 7, 2024 14:38:22 GMT -6
It clearly shows, superior defense. They are not fouling him, but he is swarmed.
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Post by quinn on May 7, 2024 14:54:36 GMT -6
On Get Up this morning they just blasted off on Murray's throwing stuff on the court. The consensus is that he should be suspended. They made several points. -If a player throws something off the court, it's an automatic ejection. -If a fan throws something on the floor, it's an ejection and they can have tickets vacated. -It could have easily caused injury. -They need to protect the refs. He was throwing it at an official! Windhorst doesn't know that he'll get suspended because there's not a rule about it. If not, there will be next year. Just an utterly immature move by Murray. If he's not suspended, he'll probably be hearing from Wolves fans on Friday! I don't know how you can't suspend him for it. If he's not suspended the league is going to open up a Pandora's box of chaos that they do not want to open. Not only did he throw the heatpack on the floor, he threw a towel. And he didn't just throw it, he threw it AT AN OFFICIAL! That's the worst part. Tensions between the players and officials are at an all-time high right now to begin with, now you've got an All-NBA caliber player throwing TWO objects onto the court at an official! The fact that he threw the towel at the official, didn't have it reach him, and then consciously grabbed another heavier object to throw at him is absolutely ridiculous. Anyone that defends him is dead to me.
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Post by levine on May 7, 2024 17:40:01 GMT -6
So much great stuff here:
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