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Post by Nick K on Nov 4, 2018 22:11:57 GMT -6
Total rebounds:
Portland 59 MN 35
How bad is that?
Maybe I'll switch over to the nfl and hopefully watch the Packers lose.
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Post by Bonecrusher on Nov 4, 2018 22:12:19 GMT -6
Real GM had it at 48 at 4 years. I'm thinking this is 48/4 but obviously not correct if it's about 48 per year which doesn't make sense either. 4 year, 170M Supermax extension. Kicks in next year. Jesus. Yep bad. No chance for him to be in any deal should we try to do a three way with Miami and Washington. Geez even our backups are bricking every shot.
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Post by Bonecrusher on Nov 4, 2018 22:16:37 GMT -6
Aminu and Leonard for Butler?
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Post by Bonecrusher on Nov 4, 2018 22:18:32 GMT -6
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Post by Nick K on Nov 4, 2018 22:24:53 GMT -6
Aminu and Leonard for Butler? i love Aminu but we need an offensive producer to offset Jimmy.
We need much more rebounding.
Wiggins had 1 effing rebound tonight. He's 6'8"! Pathetic.
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Post by boognish on Nov 4, 2018 23:19:42 GMT -6
Another rough shooting quarter for Tyus. 0 for 5. He just hasn't been able to consistently finish at the rim or hit the 3. Tyus is totally exposed when he has to play against starting caliber players. He needs to come off the bench; Teague can't get healthy soon enough.
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Post by pagliatti on Nov 5, 2018 2:36:16 GMT -6
People should not panic. You are without your best player and your two best PGs, you are going to lose to almost anyone. It has always been that way. Also, as JB was so prevalent and Wiggins has some backup SF potential wings with nice size have been low in the needs department, the allotment of resources was reasonable before JB´s saga.
Most teams oversize the Wolves and KAT playing more like Love than Sheed doesn't help at all. It is like he can't dial physicality and touch at the same time, not rare for a young guy but it is the correct call to give him more repetitions at his deficiencies. Nobody won a thing just chucking 3s with a supermax C, he needs to get better at traditional D. It becomes too usual that old time Cs get a efficient double double against him.
To get confidence going players need to see teammates dominating at something, KAT and Wiggins just select their spots and sometimes get efficient- that's not Dirk/KG you can't prevent me getting a quality shot off. That's a point for Mr. Butler.
The chance for KAT to become a star is to be a complete package in the sense of a Chris Webber, not a superstar per se- in fact this type of player tends to be overrated, I would pick one step in the ladder lower with the cheaper salary and less drama- but a good enough all around player to consider. He is below average at some parts of the game now, that's correctable. Wiggins might become a tough cover with a varied arsenal but for the time being he has the same issue, not many unguardable moves and pretty poor in some departments of the game. Again, he is a SG and minutes logged at SF make him not a favour at all. He should look better with any real SF around.
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Post by The Country Club on Nov 5, 2018 3:05:04 GMT -6
Andrew Wiggins' contract is the worst in the league. Just looked at John Wall's...Wiggins is 2nd worst. Between Whiteside, Wiggins, Wall, and Chandler Parsons, there's a helluva race to awful there. At least Wall has been a key cog on a team that's made several trips to the playoffs and has played well when in the playoffs.
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Post by The Country Club on Nov 5, 2018 3:06:01 GMT -6
I see all that "hard work" Wiggins put in during the offseason really paying off.
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Post by quinn on Nov 5, 2018 10:04:33 GMT -6
Another rough shooting quarter for Tyus. 0 for 5. He just hasn't been able to consistently finish at the rim or hit the 3. Tyus is totally exposed when he has to play against starting caliber players. He needs to come off the bench; Teague can't get healthy soon enough. I am of the opinion that we should be turning to Sacramento to see what it would take to get Deaaron Fox. Fox is an absolute stud. He's a plus defensively which is rare for a rookie. He's one of the fastest players in the league and is offensively gifted. He is thin so he might get bullied some by bigger guards, but he has and will continue to bulk up. You have a young stud in Okogie, he will be paired on the wing with Wiggins for a while. What you need is a point guard of the future. Tyus sadly is not that. He doesn't have the offensive game we need and he's not laterally quick enough to stay in front of his defenders. He is a career backup. Wiggins' deal would be close to done around the time Fox is due for an extension. I also don't know how highly Fox is valued by Sacramento. Maybe a Butler/Teague combo would be enough for them to move the needle on Fox and WCS, of course there would need to be fillers in there but that could be the core of the deal.
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Post by Bonecrusher on Nov 5, 2018 10:30:21 GMT -6
I see all that "hard work" Wiggins put in during the offseason really paying off. He did have a child just born to him. :) (rofl)
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Post by levine on Nov 5, 2018 10:33:55 GMT -6
Another rough shooting quarter for Tyus. 0 for 5. He just hasn't been able to consistently finish at the rim or hit the 3. Tyus is totally exposed when he has to play against starting caliber players. He needs to come off the bench; Teague can't get healthy soon enough. Eh. We saw the team absolutely crush it when he played with the starters last year. I think with a better coach and system, he's easily a really good player - as a starter or a top reserve. He's our best defender at the point, by far. He doesn't turn it over, the offense runs much more smoothly, and he is hitting 37% of his 3s on a a career high 3 attempts/game. What's killing him is abnormally dismal shooting at the rim (36%). Which is odd because last year he was at 68% (and was over 53% in limited minutes both of his first 2 years). He's also shooting well below his career numbers at every distance inside the arc. I think its more flukey than fatal flaw.
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Post by Bonecrusher on Nov 5, 2018 10:36:17 GMT -6
Tyus is totally exposed when he has to play against starting caliber players. He needs to come off the bench; Teague can't get healthy soon enough. I am of the opinion that we should be turning to Sacramento to see what it would take to get Deaaron Fox. Fox is an absolute stud. He's a plus defensively which is rare for a rookie. He's one of the fastest players in the league and is offensively gifted. He is thin so he might get bullied some by bigger guards, but he has and will continue to bulk up. You have a young stud in Okogie, he will be paired on the wing with Wiggins for a while. What you need is a point guard of the future. Tyus sadly is not that. He doesn't have the offensive game we need and he's not laterally quick enough to stay in front of his defenders. He is a career backup. Wiggins' deal would be close to done around the time Fox is due for an extension. I also don't know how highly Fox is valued by Sacramento. Maybe a Butler/Teague combo would be enough for them to move the needle on Fox and WCS, of course there would need to be fillers in there but that could be the core of the deal. Sadly we have many options and I think teams would deal with us but probably hate Thibs as much as we do and Thibs is probably un-interested in offloading Taj, Teague or Butler and the sad part is unless Butler is willing to re-sign not many teams are going to take that risk. We could deal with Sacramento but would have to give up some picks for them to eat any contracts (I like Dieng and he's a decent backup) Wizards would be another option so might Cleveland with their dumpster fire going. Lakers might be an option but they only have youngsters with small contracts so not sure they would trade away the youth. So many options such a dead weight for coach and gm.
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Post by levine on Nov 5, 2018 10:49:42 GMT -6
Tyus is totally exposed when he has to play against starting caliber players. He needs to come off the bench; Teague can't get healthy soon enough. I am of the opinion that we should be turning to Sacramento to see what it would take to get Deaaron Fox. Fox is an absolute stud. He's a plus defensively which is rare for a rookie. He's one of the fastest players in the league and is offensively gifted. He is thin so he might get bullied some by bigger guards, but he has and will continue to bulk up. You have a young stud in Okogie, he will be paired on the wing with Wiggins for a while. What you need is a point guard of the future. Tyus sadly is not that. He doesn't have the offensive game we need and he's not laterally quick enough to stay in front of his defenders. He is a career backup. Wiggins' deal would be close to done around the time Fox is due for an extension. I also don't know how highly Fox is valued by Sacramento. Maybe a Butler/Teague combo would be enough for them to move the needle on Fox and WCS, of course there would need to be fillers in there but that could be the core of the deal. I love Fox, but I don't see why SAC would give him up. They LOVE him. And I don't see them as being interested in renting Butler for the rest of the year. They have a young team that is playing well and they're really buying into a fast past, move the ball type of system. Butler isn't a great fit for that team (or their locker room), and I doubt they think he'd resign with them.
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Post by Bonecrusher on Nov 5, 2018 10:57:17 GMT -6
I am of the opinion that we should be turning to Sacramento to see what it would take to get Deaaron Fox. Fox is an absolute stud. He's a plus defensively which is rare for a rookie. He's one of the fastest players in the league and is offensively gifted. He is thin so he might get bullied some by bigger guards, but he has and will continue to bulk up. You have a young stud in Okogie, he will be paired on the wing with Wiggins for a while. What you need is a point guard of the future. Tyus sadly is not that. He doesn't have the offensive game we need and he's not laterally quick enough to stay in front of his defenders. He is a career backup. Wiggins' deal would be close to done around the time Fox is due for an extension. I also don't know how highly Fox is valued by Sacramento. Maybe a Butler/Teague combo would be enough for them to move the needle on Fox and WCS, of course there would need to be fillers in there but that could be the core of the deal. I love Fox, but I don't see why SAC would give him up. They LOVE him. And I don't see them as being interested in renting Butler for the rest of the year. They have a young team that is playing well and they're really buying into a fast past, move the ball type of system. Butler isn't a great fit for that team (or their locker room), and I doubt they think he'd resign with them. Fox is a rookie or 2nd year if I recall and not many teams are going to give that up unless they feel it's a bust. The truly sad part is there are teams that have got to be looking to retool after terrible starts (LA, Washington, Miami, even Cleveland to a degree) but nada from the Wolves especially with one player demanding a trade.
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Post by firethibs on Nov 5, 2018 12:04:49 GMT -6
Tyus is totally exposed when he has to play against starting caliber players. He needs to come off the bench; Teague can't get healthy soon enough. Eh. We saw the team absolutely crush it when he played with the starters last year. I think with a better coach and system, he's easily a really good player - as a starter or a top reserve. He's our best defender at the point, by far. He doesn't turn it over, the offense runs much more smoothly, and he is hitting 37% of his 3s on a a career high 3 attempts/game. What's killing him is abnormally dismal shooting at the rim (36%). Which is odd because last year he was at 68% (and was over 53% in limited minutes both of his first 2 years). He's also shooting well below his career numbers at every distance inside the arc. I think its more flukey than fatal flaw. Tyus doesn't look quite right at the moment. Perhaps he is banged up. He is a decent defender and I'd much rather see him out there than have to endure watching Teague let everyone drive by. Would have been fun to see a Tyus, Josh O, Butler lineup to see if they could keep guards out of the lane in order to help take some pressure off of Kat having to attempt to protect the rim. Tyus has never been a good finisher at the rim/in the lane in traffic. He goes up soft and doesn't do a great job of taking contact and drawing fouls. He gets his a lot of his points at the rim due to the steals he gets. Tyus has never been a great 3 pt shooter. Teams don't really have to defend him or focus on him at the 3 point line. He only takes shots when he's wide open and so he should shoot a good percentage because he is only taking quality shots. Plus, based on my memory he tends to miss those shots at crucial times. I like the fact that Tyus doesn't make many silly turnovers....but I actually would rather see him commit a few more turnovers as I think he plays way too conservatively as PG. Tyus definitely benefits when JB plays with the 2nd team.
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Post by firethibs on Nov 5, 2018 12:10:13 GMT -6
Tyus is totally exposed when he has to play against starting caliber players. He needs to come off the bench; Teague can't get healthy soon enough. I am of the opinion that we should be turning to Sacramento to see what it would take to get Deaaron Fox. Fox is an absolute stud. He's a plus defensively which is rare for a rookie. He's one of the fastest players in the league and is offensively gifted. He is thin so he might get bullied some by bigger guards, but he has and will continue to bulk up. You have a young stud in Okogie, he will be paired on the wing with Wiggins for a while. What you need is a point guard of the future. Tyus sadly is not that. He doesn't have the offensive game we need and he's not laterally quick enough to stay in front of his defenders. He is a career backup. Wiggins' deal would be close to done around the time Fox is due for an extension. I also don't know how highly Fox is valued by Sacramento. Maybe a Butler/Teague combo would be enough for them to move the needle on Fox and WCS, of course there would need to be fillers in there but that could be the core of the deal. I like the thought. I know its early still...but based on Josh O's success I think it might/should change what we are looking to get back in a JB trade. Perhaps, we should focus on getting our PG of the future or a big that compliments Kat instead of looking to get a wing back. I'm still not entirely sure what kind of big we should look for to pair up with Kat. Do we want a Gobert-lite who is going to be the rim protector/rebounder we absolutely need - but will also clog up the lane for Kat post ups?
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Post by XRaySpecs on Nov 5, 2018 12:18:56 GMT -6
Just looked at John Wall's...Wiggins is 2nd worst. Between Whiteside, Wiggins, Wall, and Chandler Parsons, there's a helluva race to awful there. At least Wall has been a key cog on a team that's made several trips to the playoffs and has played well when in the playoffs. I'd trade Wiggins for Whiteside or Parsons in a minute. They're bad deals, but they're up after next year. Wiggins has 4 more years. Wall was really good and still is a good player, but that contract is hideous. It's a multiyear guarantee of paying the tax to any team he's on.
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Post by The Country Club on Nov 6, 2018 5:59:15 GMT -6
Between Whiteside, Wiggins, Wall, and Chandler Parsons, there's a helluva race to awful there. At least Wall has been a key cog on a team that's made several trips to the playoffs and has played well when in the playoffs. I'd trade Wiggins for Whiteside or Parsons in a minute. They're bad deals, but they're up after next year. Wiggins has 4 more years. Wall was really good and still is a good player, but that contract is hideous. It's a multiyear guarantee of paying the tax to any team he's on. Yep. And by the time Wall is 33 and hobbling....oof
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