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Post by Nick K on Nov 5, 2018 23:10:39 GMT -6
Gorgui...the supreme matador.
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Post by levine on Nov 5, 2018 23:35:16 GMT -6
The first question we need to ask potential head coaches:
"Can you build an offense around KAT?"
20 points, on 8/13 shooting. Rose, Wiggins and General Soreness are a combined 15/41.
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Post by Nick K on Nov 5, 2018 23:43:24 GMT -6
The block call on Rose was the worst.
KAT has had hardly any shots this half.
How can they continue to play Wiggins tonight?
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Post by Nick K on Nov 5, 2018 23:45:55 GMT -6
Our bench has been outscored 48-20.
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Post by Nick K on Nov 5, 2018 23:50:00 GMT -6
Valiant effort. Not enough when it counted.
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Post by levine on Nov 5, 2018 23:52:50 GMT -6
Wiggins is so bad...
Amazing knack for driving right into a defender.
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Post by levine on Nov 5, 2018 23:56:16 GMT -6
Four 2nd half shots for KAT. One in the 4th quarter...
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Post by Nick K on Nov 6, 2018 0:11:55 GMT -6
Box score show easy reason for loss...
MN 3 pt shots 5 of 21.
LA 3 pt shots 14 of 31!! Almost 50%. Fabulous.
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Post by levine on Nov 6, 2018 0:44:35 GMT -6
Derrick Rose led the team in shot attempts with 20, leading to his 21 points. This cannot be a sustainable thing, and yet it happens regularly. So much of the Wolves offense is putting Rose or Butler in screen-roll action, which not only is not useful for the future, but also has its downsides in the present. Rose has tunnel vision, and is far too willing to hoist up shots from anywhere. His hot start was perhaps a double-edged sword, since he didn’t stop shooting the rest of the night. As for General Soreness, his effort through three quarters was appalling. He looked completely detatched, which makes one wonder what the point of him sitting out last night was. He came to life in the fourth, particularly with an early flurry that got the Wolves close, but the Clippers extended their lead back out with some timely Lou Williams buckets, and were able to hold off the Wolves from there. The entire fiasco needs to end. Butler choosing when to play, then showing intermittent effort when he’s on the court is doing nobody any good. But we’ve been over that enough times. www.canishoopus.com/2018/11/6/18067468/clippers-120-wolves-109-butler-returns-defense-still-missing-timberwolves-game-recap
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Post by The Country Club on Nov 6, 2018 4:35:57 GMT -6
Apparently we're dead last in attendance in the NBA. Coming off our first playoff appearance in an eon... Nate: RUMINT has it that ticket sales are in the worst place they have ever been. Like, they can’t give away tickets.
It’s really bad. Listen to the latest Jon K pod and Steve Terry talks about it quite a bit. Jon adds some stuff about the business side. They are hemorrhaging on the business side and are pissed. www.espn.com/nba/attendanceAnd that attendance stuff INCLUDES a LeBron visit and the home opener (both of which were paper sellouts). Take out the near 38k in those two paper sellouts and the Wolves are drawing 12k per in the other 3 games. The ticket price hike certainly has a role in this but franchise toxicity ain't helping...
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Post by sparlimb on Nov 6, 2018 7:44:44 GMT -6
Apparently we're dead last in attendance in the NBA. Coming off our first playoff appearance in an eon... Nate: RUMINT has it that ticket sales are in the worst place they have ever been. Like, they can’t give away tickets.
It’s really bad. Listen to the latest Jon K pod and Steve Terry talks about it quite a bit. Jon adds some stuff about the business side. They are hemorrhaging on the business side and are pissed. www.espn.com/nba/attendanceAnd that attendance stuff INCLUDES a LeBron visit and the home opener (both of which were paper sellouts). Take out the near 38k in those two paper sellouts and the Wolves are drawing 12k per in the other 3 games. The ticket price hike certainly has a role in this but franchise toxicity ain't helping... All people want is something to hope for. Instead we're waiting for a trade everyone knows will happen. Attendance will pick up some once that is done and there is a team we can cheer for. Who wants to see Butler play now when he doesn't want to be here. I don't care if he plays hard every other game. I don't want to see him at all.
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Post by Bonecrusher on Nov 6, 2018 8:45:00 GMT -6
www.espn.com/nba/attendanceAnd that attendance stuff INCLUDES a LeBron visit and the home opener (both of which were paper sellouts). Take out the near 38k in those two paper sellouts and the Wolves are drawing 12k per in the other 3 games. The ticket price hike certainly has a role in this but franchise toxicity ain't helping... All people want is something to hope for. Instead we're waiting for a trade everyone knows will happen. Attendance will pick up some once that is done and there is a team we can cheer for. Who wants to see Butler play now when he doesn't want to be here. I don't care if he plays hard every other game. I don't want to see him at all. It's not even Butler. It's all Thibs and yes to an extent Glen. We are stuck in misery til Glen grows a pair and fires Thibs. I would be money once Thibs is gone the phones will be ringing off the hook with offers for Butler shortly after.
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Post by tjstyles on Nov 6, 2018 9:03:10 GMT -6
All people want is something to hope for. Instead we're waiting for a trade everyone knows will happen. Attendance will pick up some once that is done and there is a team we can cheer for. Who wants to see Butler play now when he doesn't want to be here. I don't care if he plays hard every other game. I don't want to see him at all. It's not even Butler. It's all Thibs and yes to an extent Glen. We are stuck in misery til Glen grows a pair and fires Thibs. I would be money once Thibs is gone the phones will be ringing off the hook with offers for Butler shortly after.I agree, but not for the reason I suspect you are implying here (well, maybe at least related). Until now, Thibs appears to be the only one interested in getting a return for Butler. I think Glen has not made a move against Thibs on this front because he ultimately agrees that any deal from Miami that doesn't include Richardson is not a deal. And, I suspect that if he is going to take on a contract like Waiters, he at least wants him ready to play. I know people want the situation to be over (and trust me, I do to). But, I have yet to hear one credible trade rumor that was on the table that I would remotely consider. Other teams see the way Butler is behaving and think the Wolves are going to take a hit just to get him off the roster. As much as I hate what is going on, and I do feel that Thibs has to nip that behavior in the bud with Butler, I am relieved that we haven't dealt Butler for peanuts just to be done with it. We need a reasonable return on him. We need to get something more than a 1st round pick and "cap space" (quoted because the only cap space we are getting in any Butler deal is not having to give out a super max contract next season). Right as the season started, I said I suspected the offers to start up again this week with a deal happening shortly there after. They actually started up again last week, so for me, they are ahead of schedule. I have no problem waiting a little while longer to get some asset back that can compliment Towns and grow along side him. Any deal that doesn't bring in something like that just so we can be rid of Butler is a mistake, IMO.
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Post by boognish on Nov 6, 2018 9:39:32 GMT -6
We're really missing Teague. Rose is a ball-hog and Tyus couldn't score if he were the only one on the court. 20 assists by the Wolves compared to 30 by the Clippers. That won't get it done.
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Post by Bonecrusher on Nov 6, 2018 10:02:20 GMT -6
It's not even Butler. It's all Thibs and yes to an extent Glen. We are stuck in misery til Glen grows a pair and fires Thibs. I would be money once Thibs is gone the phones will be ringing off the hook with offers for Butler shortly after.I agree, but not for the reason I suspect you are implying here (well, maybe at least related). Until now, Thibs appears to be the only one interested in getting a return for Butler. I think Glen has not made a move against Thibs on this front because he ultimately agrees that any deal from Miami that doesn't include Richardson is not a deal. And, I suspect that if he is going to take on a contract like Waiters, he at least wants him ready to play. I know people want the situation to be over (and trust me, I do to). But, I have yet to hear one credible trade rumor that was on the table that I would remotely consider. Other teams see the way Butler is behaving and think the Wolves are going to take a hit just to get him off the roster. As much as I hate what is going on, and I do feel that Thibs has to nip that behavior in the bud with Butler, I am relieved that we haven't dealt Butler for peanuts just to be done with it. We need a reasonable return on him. We need to get something more than a 1st round pick and "cap space" (quoted because the only cap space we are getting in any Butler deal is not having to give out a super max contract next season). Right as the season started, I said I suspected the offers to start up again this week with a deal happening shortly there after. They actually started up again last week, so for me, they are ahead of schedule. I have no problem waiting a little while longer to get some asset back that can compliment Towns and grow along side him. Any deal that doesn't bring in something like that just so we can be rid of Butler is a mistake, IMO. To a degree I'm with you. But I don't want deals made by Thibs. He's brought in Taj, Rose, Deng. Okogie was pure luck and a no brainer for us to draft and the same with KBD. Plus I don't think Thibs is smart enough to call teams up and offer them options. I would be calling Washington asking if they want to swap Porter and Wiggins. They may say no but they also may say yes but I am pretty sure no one from the Wolves is actively doing this work. There are teams out there that are dumpster fires (just like ours) but they don't have much in assets that people want. Same with Miami. Would Miami do Taj and Butler for Whiteside and Richardson. I know some don't think pairing up KAT and Whiteside would be good but I have a feeling our defense just got that much better and KAT could easily become a 4 and let Whiteside be the center. In the end Thibs is waiting for everyone to come to him and he's happy to sit back instead of being active. Teams know Butler wants out but does Thibs. Plus if I'm KAT I'm getting more and more pissed every day. He wants to win but why play with meatheads like General Soreness who is killing this team. I don't think Philly, Bucks or Boston put together waiting for teams to offer them the pieces. They sought them out.
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Post by levine on Nov 6, 2018 11:30:11 GMT -6
From Canis:
Its impossible to be a good team while featuring 30 minutes or more of terrible wing play.
Its incredible, but Wiggins is regressing, he was bad, but now is just beyond bad .
He is posting the worst PER (12.7) of his career. The worst TS% (.500) of his career. The worst TRB% (6) of his career. The worst AST% (7,6) of his career. The worst WS/48 (Lose shares in his case) of his career. The worst OBPM (-2) of his career. The worst BPM (-3.8) of his career. The worst VORP (-0.1) of his career.
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Post by levine on Nov 6, 2018 11:32:35 GMT -6
Number of times Rose has taken 20 shots in a game this year: 3 Number of times Towns has taken 20 shots in a game this year: 0
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Post by XRaySpecs on Nov 6, 2018 12:16:16 GMT -6
From Canis: Its impossible to be a good team while featuring 30 minutes or more of terrible wing play. Its incredible, but Wiggins is regressing, he was bad, but now is just beyond bad . He is posting the worst PER (12.7) of his career. The worst TS% (.500) of his career. The worst TRB% (6) of his career. The worst AST% (7,6) of his career. The worst WS/48 (Lose shares in his case) of his career. The worst OBPM (-2) of his career. The worst BPM (-3.8) of his career. The worst VORP (-0.1) of his career. He got his max. Why put in any effort anymore? My "favorite" sequence last night was when Wiggins isolated himself near halfcourt (I think it was to close out the first quarter). He started out his drive by dribbling through his legs a couple of times, but he lifted his front leg up both times in order to dribble between his legs. It was like he was so lazy he can't even bend over to dribble properly. He missed the shot.
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Post by levine on Nov 6, 2018 16:54:56 GMT -6
Wolves through 11 games:
16th in offense 15th in pace 22nd in 3pt rate 28th in eFG%
29th in defense 30th in defensive rebounds 30th in opp assists
The only things saving us from being much worse:
2nd in TOV% 5th in FTAs 14th in FT rate 9th in FT/FGA 8th in Opp FT/FGA
Basically we're bad at shooting, really bad at defense, but we don't turn it over much and we get to the line.
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Post by firethibs on Nov 7, 2018 10:39:52 GMT -6
Wolves through 11 games: 16th in offense 15th in pace 22nd in 3pt rate 28th in eFG% 29th in defense 30th in defensive rebounds 30th in opp assists The only things saving us from being much worse: 2nd in TOV% 5th in FTAs 14th in FT rate 9th in FT/FGA 8th in Opp FT/FGA Basically we're bad at shooting, really bad at defense, but we don't turn it over much and we get to the line. I don't necessarily consider our low turnover rate as really a positive either. It's easy to have low turnovers when you don't have PG's on your team able to (or wiling to) be a playmaker. We either have DRose at PG who is going to go one-on-one or Tyus and Teague who aren't able to set up teammates for easy baskets and usually end up making the safe pass that results in the next guy having to either take a bad shot or go one-on-one against the defense or Tyus & Teague will make the safe pass to the teammate on the perimeter who the other team is purposely not guarding (Dieng or Taj)
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Post by boognish on Nov 7, 2018 10:46:41 GMT -6
From Canis: Its impossible to be a good team while featuring 30 minutes or more of terrible wing play. Its incredible, but Wiggins is regressing, he was bad, but now is just beyond bad . He is posting the worst PER (12.7) of his career. The worst TS% (.500) of his career. The worst TRB% (6) of his career. The worst AST% (7,6) of his career. The worst WS/48 (Lose shares in his case) of his career. The worst OBPM (-2) of his career. The worst BPM (-3.8) of his career. The worst VORP (-0.1) of his career. He got his max. Why put in any effort anymore? My "favorite" sequence last night was when Wiggins isolated himself near halfcourt (I think it was to close out the first quarter). He started out his drive by dribbling through his legs a couple of times, but he lifted his front leg up both times in order to dribble between his legs. It was like he was so lazy he can't even bend over to dribble properly. He missed the shot. My favorite was when KAT was deep in the post with a guy on his back, but instead of passing it to him Wiggins decided to drive right into three defensive players in the lane and miss the shot. And this was late in the game, when it was clear that his shot was not going in that night.
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Post by boognish on Nov 7, 2018 10:47:57 GMT -6
Wolves through 11 games: 16th in offense 15th in pace 22nd in 3pt rate 28th in eFG% 29th in defense 30th in defensive rebounds 30th in opp assists The only things saving us from being much worse: 2nd in TOV% 5th in FTAs 14th in FT rate 9th in FT/FGA 8th in Opp FT/FGA Basically we're bad at shooting, really bad at defense, but we don't turn it over much and we get to the line. I don't necessarily consider our low turnover rate as really a positive either. It's easy to have low turnovers when you don't have PG's on your team able to (or wiling to) be a playmaker. We either have DRose at PG who is going to go one-on-one or Tyus and Teague who aren't able to set up teammates for easy baskets and usually end up making the safe pass that results in the next guy having to either take a bad shot or go one-on-one against the defense or Tyus & Teague will make the safe pass to the teammate on the perimeter who the other team is purposely not guarding (Dieng or Taj) Teague makes some pretty nifty pocket passes when the big is rolling to the rim after a pick and roll. We need to see more of that action.
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