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Post by levine on Nov 19, 2018 11:52:06 GMT -6
Since Wiggins and Zach will always be compared (as in, who we should've traded for Butler), its frightening to see how bad Zach has been since his shooting cratered:
Player: ORPM, DRPM, RPM Wiggins: -0.33, -0.41, -0.74 LaVine: 0.52, -2.73, -2.21
As always, the correct answer to "Which guy should we have kept" is C) Neither.
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Post by firethibs on Nov 19, 2018 12:17:01 GMT -6
I agree with you on this...but the "we need a bigger rotation for number's sake" that others are grousing for isn't necessarily what a lot of coaches execute. The 9 certainly will change up based on the matchup or health of the roster. Thibs is going to play 9. And yeah, he should be more flexible...but we all know he won't be. So get 9 good players that fit regardless of him *or* future coach TBD. On that last point, we don't have 9 that completely fit. I'm really not that interested in letting the current brain trust make more trades*. We're not making the Playoffs, so let the new guys make the needed changes. At this point if I'm Glen, I fire Thibs, let Ryan be the interim (he's likely to be bad at it, but all I care about is the young guys and the core guys play together as much as possible). *The exception being if Thibs is gone to trade Taj and Rose for any value that doesn't go beyond this year - even if its a weak expiring and a 2nd round pick). It really becomes a salary cap issue....one I'm no where close to being qualified to break down. While I'm all for doing a mini-rebuild this year....I do think we may need to try to keep some of our talent/depth for next year. If you trade Taj & Rose for 2nd round picks - that means that going into next year we will be over the cap and we will essentially have to replace Toliver, Taj & Rose with only our exception. I'd be open to moving those guys - but I'd need more than 2nd round picks coming back. However, I would probably move Teague for 2nd round picks and an expiring as I'm afraid he will opt-in next year and I think he is just a terrible fit for our team
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Post by levine on Nov 19, 2018 12:32:06 GMT -6
I'm really not that interested in letting the current brain trust make more trades*. We're not making the Playoffs, so let the new guys make the needed changes. At this point if I'm Glen, I fire Thibs, let Ryan be the interim (he's likely to be bad at it, but all I care about is the young guys and the core guys play together as much as possible). *The exception being if Thibs is gone to trade Taj and Rose for any value that doesn't go beyond this year - even if its a weak expiring and a 2nd round pick). It really becomes a salary cap issue....one I'm no where close to being qualified to break down. While I'm all for doing a mini-rebuild this year....I do think we may need to try to keep some of our talent/depth for next year. If you trade Taj & Rose for 2nd round picks - that means that going into next year we will be over the cap and we will essentially have to replace Toliver, Taj & Rose with only our exception.
I'd be open to moving those guys - but I'd need more than 2nd round picks coming back. However, I would probably move Teague for 2nd round picks and an expiring as I'm afraid he will opt-in next year and I think he is just a terrible fit for our team How is that different than just letting them walk in the offseason? At least my way, we're giving more minutes this year to Saric, Okogie, Tyus and maybe even KBD.
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Post by firethibs on Nov 19, 2018 12:59:35 GMT -6
It really becomes a salary cap issue....one I'm no where close to being qualified to break down. While I'm all for doing a mini-rebuild this year....I do think we may need to try to keep some of our talent/depth for next year. If you trade Taj & Rose for 2nd round picks - that means that going into next year we will be over the cap and we will essentially have to replace Toliver, Taj & Rose with only our exception.
I'd be open to moving those guys - but I'd need more than 2nd round picks coming back. However, I would probably move Teague for 2nd round picks and an expiring as I'm afraid he will opt-in next year and I think he is just a terrible fit for our team How is that different than just letting them walk in the offseason? At least my way, we're giving more minutes this year to Saric, Okogie, Tyus and maybe even KBD. I assume Toliver is gone. But, I'm not sure we shouldn't try to re-sign one or both of DRose & Taj - depending on what trades are to come that may remove some of our roster logjams AND assuming they are willing to stay here on cap friendly deals. I haven't researched our new cap situation enough to know if this is applicable....but I'd hate to let all those guys go (and also move teague this year) and be stuck somewhere between the cap and luxury cap and the only money we have to spend to bring in talent is our MLE DRose might be willing to re-sign here for next to nothing again as he seems to like it here and he gets most of us money from adidas anyways.
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Post by levine on Nov 19, 2018 13:34:35 GMT -6
How is that different than just letting them walk in the offseason? At least my way, we're giving more minutes this year to Saric, Okogie, Tyus and maybe even KBD. I assume Toliver is gone. But, I'm not sure we shouldn't try to re-sign one or both of DRose & Taj - depending on what trades are to come that may remove some of our roster logjams AND assuming they are willing to stay here on cap friendly deals. I haven't researched our new cap situation enough to know if this is applicable....but I'd hate to let all those guys go (and also move teague this year) and be stuck somewhere between the cap and luxury cap and the only money we have to spend to bring in talent is our MLE DRose might be willing to re-sign here for next to nothing again as he seems to like it here and he gets most of us money from adidas anyways. I'd rather have neither of them. Of the 3, Tolly might be the only one I'd consider bringing back.
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Post by The Country Club on Nov 19, 2018 16:07:02 GMT -6
I'm really not that interested in letting the current brain trust make more trades*. We're not making the Playoffs, so let the new guys make the needed changes. At this point if I'm Glen, I fire Thibs, let Ryan be the interim (he's likely to be bad at it, but all I care about is the young guys and the core guys play together as much as possible). *The exception being if Thibs is gone to trade Taj and Rose for any value that doesn't go beyond this year - even if its a weak expiring and a 2nd round pick). It really becomes a salary cap issue....one I'm no where close to being qualified to break down. While I'm all for doing a mini-rebuild this year....I do think we may need to try to keep some of our talent/depth for next year. If you trade Taj & Rose for 2nd round picks - that means that going into next year we will be over the cap and we will essentially have to replace Toliver, Taj & Rose with only our exception. I'd be open to moving those guys - but I'd need more than 2nd round picks coming back. However, I would probably move Teague for 2nd round picks and an expiring as I'm afraid he will opt-in next year and I think he is just a terrible fit for our team At this point, any trade of any expiring should yield us picks +/or an expiring in 2020. Letting the expirings just walk without any value is just bad...even if it's just picks. And I'm ok with the current braintrust making those trades since the GM side of the fence is less crappy at trading than the coach side is at managing the talent.
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Post by Bonecrusher on Nov 19, 2018 18:00:06 GMT -6
I wouldn't mind bring Taj back but Thibs needs to be gone. As long as Thibs is here he will start his former player. I pray and every day that Teague doesn't take his option. Good riddance. Rose the same. Rose is going to win you as many games as he loses you. If Thibs is gone Rose might have a tight leash but I doubt it. Tolliver. He's a solid player and for the right price wouldn't mind him back but there should plenty of free agents that would be willing to come to a young and upcoming team WITH A NEW COACH.
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