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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2023 13:11:22 GMT -6
For the haters to consider the Rudy trade a success? Fun convo for the board, B & D threw out on the pod. The Haters at Dunc'd On on said they would still not do the trade, but that is because they predicted it would not work, and also they always prefer the mystery bag.
For me, it's in the mix for top four, if you're there, and healthy, anything can happen come playoff time, and it's typically determined exclusively by health.
Kat was hurt, so I wouldn't say that was a failed season, though many do count injury riddled years as failures, particularly if they predicted it wouldn't work, but I've never thought if we don't make finals three of the four years it's a failure?
Just curious what the line is now, for those that hated the trade? Or those that were on board.
Long season to go, so who knows but the idea Dunc'd On wouldn't do it, because they might be able to have something better than best team in the west is hilarious to me. Should be noted they were also wrong on Jrue Holiday, and while I'm not positive, most of the heads were way, way more positive on Mitchell and Murray based presumably on like one less swap or something. God I want that swap back.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2023 13:11:47 GMT -6
I would become the Pistons right now if I could have that additional swap back.
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Post by levine on Dec 29, 2023 13:17:01 GMT -6
Minimum 2nd round of the Playoffs. Maybe even WCF.
It was not a trade to just make the Playoffs. It was an "all-in" to try to win a title.
If we win 65 games and flame out in the 1st, its just more fuel to the "2 Bigs can't win in the postseason" or "Rudy isn't a factor in the Playoffs" arguments.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2023 13:56:34 GMT -6
I think the reason they flame out would matter, for example if one of our Big Three Kat, Rudy, or Ant got hurt, to me that's a reasonable risk to make that deal.
Much different scenario if you're talking about Porzingis, Beal/KD, George/Leonard/Harden or Kyrie. To me it would buck the trend if those guys are healthy enough for a good regular season and playoffs.
Many of the folks who trashed Rudy were like well Suns might as well go all in at this point, same with Clips and Harden which makes no sense given their previous takes on Holiday/Gobert deals who were both 30, and had relatively good health histories.
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Post by levine on Dec 29, 2023 14:16:29 GMT -6
Injuries obviously change things for any team.
If the Big 3 are healthy and we don't get out of the first round, its a major failure.
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Post by jojo on Dec 29, 2023 15:01:45 GMT -6
I would trade for a needle mover on offense- not sure who’s available but would include Kyle if necessary. That would protect them against an injury to anyone except Rudy. If it’s a shooter we wouldn’t be as reliant on Mike.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2023 15:28:01 GMT -6
If the Big 3 are healthy and we don't get out of the first round, its a major failure. I disagree injuries = failure. I do think it impacts how they are viewed in hindsight, and that view exasperated by people who predicted something wouldn't work, trying to convince people they're psychic. Bulls probably best example of that today. Were the Warriors considered a failure when they lost Klay and KD in the finals? Or the following year when they were tanking? No, because you're talking about three guys in their prime, injuries derailed. That is way different to me than like the Suns right now, or even Warriors now having to choose paying Green, Steph, Klay and Wiggins. Or like in 2012-13, it's fair to assume Rubio, Pek and Love would have stayed healthy given their age, and lack of injuries to that point.
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Post by levine on Dec 29, 2023 15:38:18 GMT -6
If the Big 3 are healthy and we don't get out of the first round, its a major failure. I disagree injuries = failure. I do think it impacts how they are viewed in hindsight, and that view exasperated by people who predicted something wouldn't work, trying to convince people they're psychic. Bulls probably best example of that today. Were the Warriors considered a failure when they lost Klay and KD in the finals? Or the following year when they were tanking? No, because you're talking about three guys in their prime, injuries derailed. That is way different to me than like the Suns right now, or even Warriors now having to choose paying Green, Steph, Klay and Wiggins. Or like in 2012-13, it's fair to assume Rubio, Pek and Love would have stayed healthy given their age, and lack of injuries to that point. I don't even know what you're arguing anymore. I swear its like you only read every other word I write...It's like the other thread where you don't understand why Naz was left out of an answer to a question that literally had nothing to do with Naz... I made a VERY simple statement. If the Big 3 are healthy and we flame out, its a major failure. Then you go on and on about injuries to other teams... Why do you even ask questions if you're mostly going to ignore the answers? Is it just so you can advance your own agendas?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2023 15:40:47 GMT -6
Just read it as if big three aren't healthy.
No biggie.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2023 15:41:27 GMT -6
Maybe we're too good now?
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Post by kingsxman on Dec 30, 2023 10:44:54 GMT -6
Minimum 2nd round of the Playoffs. Maybe even WCF. It was not a trade to just make the Playoffs. It was an "all-in" to try to win a title. If we win 65 games and flame out in the 1st, its just more fuel to the "2 Bigs can't win in the postseason" or "Rudy isn't a factor in the Playoffs" arguments. To me, it has to be a deep run at least 2 years in a row...and one of those has to be the WCF. The point that Britt & Dane were kind of throwing around though is given the cluster f&*k that was last year.....THIS is really the only year thats guaranteed of having the Twin City Towers. Its possible that next year KAT is gone and the dual big experiment is put to rest. In general though, I'm with Levine in that if we dont advance past the first round this year or have a bad showing in the 2nd round....this would be a failure and add more fuel to the "Rudy played off the course in the playoffs" fire. To me...the bigger question has always been: if you need to move on with 1 big: is it KAT or Rudy? KAT will give you a bigger haul but is younger. Which one impacts winning more? I think that if we see that Rudy IS a force in the playoffs....to me you move KAT and replenish the stock pile of picks.
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