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Post by kingsxman on Oct 13, 2018 11:05:32 GMT -6
honestly, I'd take McHale as a coach instead of anyone on the staff. But I'd rather they did something else. When I said please no McHale that was for GM. I wouldn't be against McHale as a stop gap coach. I do think we need to hire a bright younger up and comer as our next HC. Your not going to get a young up and comer at this point. No one is leaving an existing staff to come here. You must have a stop gap coach for the year which is why I've suggested Reeves.
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Post by Nick K on Oct 13, 2018 11:34:05 GMT -6
When I said please no McHale that was for GM. I wouldn't be against McHale as a stop gap coach. I do think we need to hire a bright younger up and comer as our next HC. Your not going to get a young up and comer at this point. No one is leaving an existing staff to come here. You must have a stop gap coach for the year which is why I've suggested Reeves. I would even do Reeves. That's why I suggested Ryan Saunders. Don't let his personality get in the way of him knowing the game of basketball.
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Post by kingsxman on Oct 13, 2018 11:54:05 GMT -6
Your not going to get a young up and comer at this point. No one is leaving an existing staff to come here. You must have a stop gap coach for the year which is why I've suggested Reeves. I would even do Reeves. That's why I suggested Ryan Saunders. Don't let his personality get in the way of him knowing the game of basketball. If that Nate says is true (and I have no reason to doubt it) it sounds like they are not thrilled with any of the assistants as temporary coaches. And that included Saunders.
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Post by Nick K on Oct 13, 2018 12:24:30 GMT -6
From Canis. I agree with all of this....
"It’s almost unbelievable to me
How many people believe Sam Mitchell should still be here as the coach. He was god awful. I know because I was there all season long as he shit on every media member that dared to ask him even a softball question. He spent countless press conferences complaining about AAU basketball and how it ruined most of the young players in the NBA. Mitchell was a confrontational jackass who repeatedly used the AAU system to throw his young players under the bus (because they have no idea how to actually play ball or take criticism!). He was an authoritarian whose voice inspired little confidence after hearing it for a while. The man was an excuse juke box. Multiple players did not like him or agree with his methods. Sam Mitchell did an admirable thing and stepped into a tough situation but the way he handled himself and tried to shit on everyone that questioned him along the way was his coaching death sentence." Posted by John Meyer on Oct 13, 2018 | 9:52 AM
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Post by The Country Club on Oct 13, 2018 12:41:05 GMT -6
Mitchell's on point about this. But one-and-done was a hot mess as well.
Probably going to get some heat but I don't disagree with Mitchell completely given the coddling that does take place. He did come across as "old man yelling to get off the lawn" but there's something to be said about the AAU world.
I'll say this. I think he also knew he was likely *not* getting retained given Korn was validati...er, "searching" for Taylor's new hire so Mitchell really didn't give a damn what anyone thought.
And outside of a 6-28 stretch, the season wasn't half bad despite Mitchell being a sob to Wiggins, Dieng, KAT, and the rest.
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Post by The Country Club on Oct 15, 2018 2:29:38 GMT -6
Taylor's lack of leadership with *his* franchise is going to result in a lost season and further reputational damage to a brand that already is a laughingstock around the NBA.
We had that thread last year that said "Tom Thibodeau is Destruction" after the deadspin article. I think saying "Glen Taylor is destruction" is more apt.
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Post by kingsxman on Oct 15, 2018 5:18:08 GMT -6
Taylor's lack of leadership with *his* franchise is going to result in a lost season and further reputational damage to a brand that already is a laughingstock around the NBA. We had that thread last year that said "Tom Thibodeau is Destruction" after the deadspin article. I think saying "Glen Taylor is destruction" is more apt. I have given Glen the benefit of the doubt about alot of things, but his inaction at practice yesterday and his apparent "I'm good" with this whole mess are really a low water mark for this organization.
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Post by boognish on Oct 15, 2018 6:48:46 GMT -6
Taylor's lack of leadership with *his* franchise is going to result in a lost season and further reputational damage to a brand that already is a laughingstock around the NBA. We had that thread last year that said "Tom Thibodeau is Destruction" after the deadspin article. I think saying "Glen Taylor is destruction" is more apt. I have given Glen the benefit of the doubt about alot of things, but his inaction at practice yesterday and his apparent "I'm good" with this whole mess are really a low water mark for this organization. That's not how I see things at all. I think Glen probably got involved and sat down with Butler to let him know that he is expected to act like a professional while he is here and that the team will trade him as soon as they get an offer that is fair. Then I think he came down to practice to make sure that Butler understood his message. As there were no more reports of outbursts by Butler yesterday, perhaps he will now act like a grown-up until the team can move him. Glen has also reached out to Adam Silver and the NBA front office seeking guidance on the situation, which is a great move given that he obviously can't trust his coach/POBO to look out for the long-term interests of this franchise.
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Post by Nick K on Oct 15, 2018 8:09:15 GMT -6
I have given Glen the benefit of the doubt about alot of things, but his inaction at practice yesterday and his apparent "I'm good" with this whole mess are really a low water mark for this organization. That's not how I see things at all. I think Glen probably got involved and sat down with Butler to let him know that he is expected to act like a professional while he is here and that the team will trade him as soon as they get an offer that is fair. Then I think he came down to practice to make sure that Butler understood his message. As there were no more reports of outbursts by Butler yesterday, perhaps he will now act like a grown-up until the team can move him. Glen has also reached out to Adam Silver and the NBA front office seeking guidance on the situation, which is a great move given that he obviously can't trust his coach/POBO to look out for the long-term interests of this franchise. You all could be right at the same time.
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Post by Bonecrusher on Oct 15, 2018 10:30:11 GMT -6
That's not how I see things at all. I think Glen probably got involved and sat down with Butler to let him know that he is expected to act like a professional while he is here and that the team will trade him as soon as they get an offer that is fair. Then I think he came down to practice to make sure that Butler understood his message. As there were no more reports of outbursts by Butler yesterday, perhaps he will now act like a grown-up until the team can move him. Glen has also reached out to Adam Silver and the NBA front office seeking guidance on the situation, which is a great move given that he obviously can't trust his coach/POBO to look out for the long-term interests of this franchise. You all could be right at the same time. Do you know or think he's reached out the Adam Silver? Either way the notion he can't trust his Coach/POBO should be ringing in his (Taylor's) ears that he needs to be terminated and now.
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Post by levine on Oct 15, 2018 10:42:37 GMT -6
You all could be right at the same time. Do you know or think he's reached out the Adam Silver?Either way the notion he can't trust his Coach/POBO should be ringing in his (Taylor's) ears that he needs to be terminated and now. He has. Publicly, Silver has said we need to out it out ourselves: www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/adam_silver_weighs_in_on_the_jimmy_butler_wolves_drama/s1_12680_27490976But Eric also had this to say: There is a limit to what they can actually do, but Silver has spoken to some of the people involved. The league office is not thrilled with how bad this looks.
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Post by kingsxman on Oct 15, 2018 10:50:49 GMT -6
I have given Glen the benefit of the doubt about alot of things, but his inaction at practice yesterday and his apparent "I'm good" with this whole mess are really a low water mark for this organization. That's not how I see things at all. I think Glen probably got involved and sat down with Butler to let him know that he is expected to act like a professional while he is here and that the team will trade him as soon as they get an offer that is fair. Then I think he came down to practice to make sure that Butler understood his message. As there were no more reports of outbursts by Butler yesterday, perhaps he will now act like a grown-up until the team can move him. Glen has also reached out to Adam Silver and the NBA front office seeking guidance on the situation, which is a great move given that he obviously can't trust his coach/POBO to look out for the long-term interests of this franchise. I really am not worried about how Butler behaves. My biggest concern that apparently wasnt addressed (or at least not released) was if Glen made it very clear to Thibs that he expects Butler to be traded and gave him a time frame and what will happen if it doesnt happen. While Butler started this mess its Thibs that has made it a circus.
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Post by Nick K on Oct 15, 2018 15:31:39 GMT -6
Do you know or think he's reached out the Adam Silver?Either way the notion he can't trust his Coach/POBO should be ringing in his (Taylor's) ears that he needs to be terminated and now. He has. Publicly, Silver has said we need to out it out ourselves: www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/adam_silver_weighs_in_on_the_jimmy_butler_wolves_drama/s1_12680_27490976But Eric also had this to say: There is a limit to what they can actually do, but Silver has spoken to some of the people involved. The league office is not thrilled with how bad this looks.It's clear by now that Glen has buried his head in the sand and says to himself....I don't want to deal with it. Just let Thibs deal with it. That's what I hired him for. My franchise will still be worth over a billion next year. What a total weenie owner he is.
The clips just moved Wes Johnson to NO for Ajinca which they immediately waived to maybe free up some room for Jimmy??
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Post by The Country Club on Oct 17, 2018 5:14:13 GMT -6
Ajinca was expiring at the end of this year anyways so it was a wash. Their cap situation isn't that good and Mirotic is up at season's end.
They *could* pair up a couple of bigger salaries and some picks for Butler but it would probably strap them into cap and tax hell for a while by doing so.
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Post by jr on Oct 18, 2018 7:52:25 GMT -6
How about one of you more literate individuals draft a petition to send Taylor pointing out the obvious disadvantage Thibs' rotations and schemes puts us in. I'd be happy to sign a stated commitment to not watching the shit show that we have now. The fact that someone lied to Kat to get him to sign his deal has got to mean something. When Kat came out in the first quarter he had to pass right by Thibs to get to the bench and they didn't even make eye contact, let alone a word or a hand slap. As soon as he got to the bench he was slapping hands enthusiastically with everyone. Very telling. Honest to God, I switched to a recorded episode of "Bull" after the first quarter. I could not watch this, especially Rose. He really does not have the skills. He's quick/fast and that's the extent of his ability. His play is scattered. Can't dribble in any kind of traffic, his shot looks worse than mine, and his at the rim game is like he closes his eyes when he leaves his feet. I am grieving the loss of the potential we had 2 years ago. A fun team. A team of young guys that liked each other and would grow as a group. A team that would eventually gel into a big winner. A team with a once in a generation talent. It's gut wrenching for those of us that have watched this team for so long to finally get what we had. Thibs gutted that team of every good thing we had. It's like someone paid him to sabotage our future. He couldn't have done a better job if he'd intended to. If Kat demands a trade, I'm for sure done. I'm already moving towards "I don't care", simply for self preservation. How many signatures would it take to get Glen to look at a petition like this?
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Post by Bonecrusher on Oct 23, 2018 15:39:40 GMT -6
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Post by BIG BAD WOLF on Oct 23, 2018 20:51:31 GMT -6
When MIN Had him he was not the coacnn he is today. He was a first time HC, former player development assistant who could not design an out of bounds play to save his life... even today he is not that big of a deal. A player`s coach without much of a personal touch or signature style...
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Post by Bonecrusher on Oct 24, 2018 9:33:32 GMT -6
When MIN Had him he was not the coacnn he is today. He was a first time HC, former player development assistant who could not design an out of bounds play to save his life... even today he is not that big of a deal. A player`s coach without much of a personal touch or signature style... And yet look at what he did with a mediocre Toronto team. Just saying.
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Post by levine on Oct 24, 2018 9:59:56 GMT -6
When MIN Had him he was not the coacnn he is today. He was a first time HC, former player development assistant who could not design an out of bounds play to save his life... even today he is not that big of a deal. A player`s coach without much of a personal touch or signature style... And yet look at what he did with a mediocre Toronto team. Just saying. We were also 20-20 when we fired him. Wittman took over and we finished 12-30. But Casey never had a chance here since KG torpedoed him.
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Post by Nick K on Oct 24, 2018 11:06:27 GMT -6
When MIN Had him he was not the coacnn he is today. He was a first time HC, former player development assistant who could not design an out of bounds play to save his life... even today he is not that big of a deal. A player`s coach without much of a personal touch or signature style... I was one of the few that wasn't impressed with Casey when he was here. The one thing I remember so vividly is a team would go on a 16-2 run and he would never call a timeout to break the run. It drove me nuts. I've never really seen that before except from maybe Phil Jackson.
Obviously he's improved greatly as a coach over time. Talk about a guy who has paid his dues. He's coached around the world. From what I understand he cares about his players and you won't find a nicer guy. Compared to who we have now he'd be a great get. ---------------------------------------------------
I see some Thibs coaching changes so far all for the better. There is much more ball movement. Far less of Teague holding on to the ball with the shot clock going "green". Less iso. Somewhat deeper rotations. Jimmy with 4 bench players has been really good. Gorgui, Tolliver, Butler, Okogie and Tyus looked great together on both sides of the ball. Hopefully Thibs will come back with that group tonight. Towns still needs to get the ball more.
Far less barking on the sidelines. It seems he's micromanaging the play a little less. He seems like a more subdued Thibs.
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Post by The Country Club on Oct 25, 2018 3:12:54 GMT -6
When MIN Had him he was not the coacnn he is today. He was a first time HC, former player development assistant who could not design an out of bounds play to save his life... even today he is not that big of a deal. A player`s coach without much of a personal touch or signature style... And yet look at what he did with a mediocre Toronto team. Just saying. TOR wasn't really that "mediocre" at the end of his run and his teams derped out the past two years. Casey's an ok coach and he's better than he was in Minnesota. He's in the Nate McMillan class where his teams are going to be good but you aren't going to a win a ring with him in all likelihood.
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Post by levine on Oct 25, 2018 11:50:53 GMT -6
This is excellent:
KAT has had a few bad games but because of a PR blitz from Butler during training camp that no one in the organization gives a shit about countering (and maybe even encouraged!), it’s all sliding neatly into a dumbass narrative that is tanking his prestige relative to his peers. His rep has gone from "future top-3 or top-5 player?" to "empty stats, Minnesota Kevin Love, doesn’t know how to win!" since Butler came to town, and part of that is that he didn’t progress as much as he should have defensively, but part of that is also the steady stream of passive-aggressive leaks from "team sources" about him (gee wonder who!)
KAT’s not an idiot and players talk. He knows how other players of his caliber are treated by their coaches and organizations, and I’m sure he knows he is being treated well on the poorer end of the spectrum, money aside. Koskokov isn’t leaking shit about Booker to shame him into playing better defense, Philly fired the GM whose wife had been leaking complaints about Embiid, and so on and so forth. Teams have their star’s backs, and MN leadership currently doesn’t seem to have Towns’ back. I don’t think he’s necessarily wrong to be pissed about that.
Posted by mnuba on Oct 25, 2018 | 9:16 AM
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Post by levine on Oct 28, 2018 15:54:33 GMT -6
28 points, 12 assists, 6 rebounds for Ricky last night.
27 points, 11 rebounds for LaVine last night.
26 points, 12 rebounds for Bjelica Friday night.
Apparently everyone thrives when they get away from Thibs....
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