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Post by stretcharmstrong on Jan 26, 2022 13:59:14 GMT -6
The guy is very intelligent. Not much history in talent acquisition or assessment. But, He is younger and a good communicator.
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Post by Bonecrusher on Jan 26, 2022 18:50:48 GMT -6
Could be good or bad. Not sure why he was selected but we'll see.
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Post by Nick K on Jan 26, 2022 23:51:38 GMT -6
Could be good or bad. Not sure why he was selected but we'll see. After digging into his background I'm totally sold on the guy. He's exceedingly bright and pragmatic as hell. He's a former commodity futures day trader which I liked as I did that for 7 years professionally myself. He is great with numbers and analytics. It informs his thinking but not overly so. It;s just a tool like indicators are in trading.
The best part might be he's a very strong people person and collaborator. He'll have everybody on the same page. Lastly, when I saw him on TV he was charismatic and very likeable. I'm totally sold on the guy, just like I was with Finch after reading extensively about his background.
I think we got really lucky.
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Post by stretcharmstrong on Jan 27, 2022 17:40:49 GMT -6
Yes, the press conference impressed me. He spent like 5 minutes talking about his Mother and Father's influence in his life. He is very personable. The football side seems to be about getting as much information and ideas possible and then deciding. For example he talked about analytics but also listening to the coach or scout who has seen the player. Yes, time will tell but he has shot up the ranks quickly for a reason.
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Post by levine on Apr 28, 2022 19:47:09 GMT -6
Off to a very rough start.
The Vikings have made a rare inter-divisional trade with the Detroit Lions. The deal sees the Vikings sending the 12th pick in the first round, along with the 46th pick overall (second-round pick) to Detroit in exchange for the 32nd pick (final pick in the first round), the 34th pick (second round), and the 66th pick (third round).
Moved Back 20 in the 1st.
Moved Up 12 in the 2nd.
And got a 3rd for it.
Awful value.
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Post by tmill720 on Apr 29, 2022 8:54:10 GMT -6
Off to a very rough start. The Vikings have made a rare inter-divisional trade with the Detroit Lions. The deal sees the Vikings sending the 12th pick in the first round, along with the 46th pick overall (second-round pick) to Detroit in exchange for the 32nd pick (final pick in the first round), the 34th pick (second round), and the 66th pick (third round).Moved Back 20 in the 1st. Moved Up 12 in the 2nd. And got a 3rd for it. Awful value. I don't think it's always as simple as lining up trade chart values, and different trade value charts have valued this trade differently. I've seen some charts that have given us a clear win in the deal. I pretty much always agree with the philosophy of trading back to accumulate more picks, as the chances of hitting on one player is not as good as several players. Where Spielman got it wrong is thinking that 5th, 6th, and 7th round picks are the same bite at the apple as picks in the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th rounds, when they are more like nibbles at the apple. Getting an extra top 80 pick is a great pickup. I do agree that the initial "haul" was a bit disappointing compared to historical deals that have net an additional 1st round pick for this kind of a trade back, but there has to be a buyer for a seller to make a great deal. And sometimes making a B deal is better than no deal at all.
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Post by levine on Apr 29, 2022 11:19:40 GMT -6
The bigger concern is dropping so far down in the 1st round. So much talent left on the board.
I like Cine, but he feels like a guy you could trade up in the 2nd for. Hamilton was there at our pick if we were prioritizing safety.
Or Jordan Davis to really help with the worst run defense in the league.
Or Jameson Williams - especially with Thielen likely to not be here much longer and Jefferson going to break the bank shortly, a "cheap" stud WR would really help. And now we get to face him twice a year...
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Post by levine on Apr 29, 2022 17:35:55 GMT -6
And now we just handed GB an outstanding WR prospect...
Kwesi is taking this "Minnesota Nice' thing a bit too far...
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Post by levine on Apr 29, 2022 18:03:10 GMT -6
I love the trade-up for Booth.
If he can stay healthy, he has a chance to be a legit #1.
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Post by Bonecrusher on Apr 30, 2022 17:14:34 GMT -6
I'm not sure what Kwesi is doing in this draft. Never ever work with a rival. We get burned every time.
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Post by Nick K on May 3, 2022 23:05:53 GMT -6
I think Levine is on fire here with his draft comments. I couldn't agree more. I was mortified with the lack of value Mensa placed on players drafted.
There was a big sign up saying "Fleece the NEW guy"!!
We may have some good players. I hope he's right. I see mediocre or a little better.
Cine is a winner all day. But you have to come away with an extra 2nd rounder this year or a later round first next year to drop 20 flippin spots! You must run a hard bargain. We got bleeped no matter how it goes down.
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Post by tmill720 on May 5, 2022 10:39:16 GMT -6
I think Levine is on fire here with his draft comments. I couldn't agree more. I was mortified with the lack of value Mensa placed on players drafted. There was a big sign up saying "Fleece the NEW guy"!! We may have some good players. I hope he's right. I see mediocre or a little better. Cine is a winner all day. But you have to come away with an extra 2nd rounder this year or a later round first next year to drop 20 flippin spots! You must run a hard bargain. We got bleeped no matter how it goes down. If no one was willing to pay that price, and you feel the caliber of players will be similar at 12 and 32: isn't it worth it to pick up a little extra value, even if it isn't an A+ deal?
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Post by Nick K on May 6, 2022 12:22:30 GMT -6
I think Levine is on fire here with his draft comments. I couldn't agree more. I was mortified with the lack of value Mensa placed on players drafted. There was a big sign up saying "Fleece the NEW guy"!! We may have some good players. I hope he's right. I see mediocre or a little better. Cine is a winner all day. But you have to come away with an extra 2nd rounder this year or a later round first next year to drop 20 flippin spots! You must run a hard bargain. We got bleeped no matter how it goes down. If no one was willing to pay that price, and you feel the caliber of players will be similar at 12 and 32: isn't it worth it to pick up a little extra value, even if it isn't an A+ deal? I don't know of anybody that didn't question that trade as a bad deal for us. Name me any team in history that moved down 20 spots in the first round and received so little back. We even gave up our pick at 44!
My guess by moving down we save a ton of money in salary at 32 vs. 12.
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Post by tmill720 on May 6, 2022 15:19:56 GMT -6
If no one was willing to pay that price, and you feel the caliber of players will be similar at 12 and 32: isn't it worth it to pick up a little extra value, even if it isn't an A+ deal? I don't know of anybody that didn't question that trade as a bad deal for us. Name me any team in history that moved down 20 spots in the first round and received so little back. We even gave up our pick at 44!
My guess by moving down we save a ton of money in salary at 32 vs. 12. I'm not saying it was an A+ deal. You're right that it wasn't a huge return back, but you can only receive back what people are offering at that point in time. It doesn't matter that the Chiefs traded 2 firsts to move up from 22 to 10 for Mahomes. It doesn't matter that the Texans traded 2 firsts to move up from 25 to 12 for Deshaun Watson. If there was no first round pick available to us in a trade, it could be defensible to trade back and pick up some value if we feel we can get the same caliber player at 32 as 12. An extra second round pick is better than nothing. The $12 pick has a $3 million cap hit, #32 has a $2 million cap hit - fairly negligible difference.
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Post by Nick K on May 7, 2022 9:34:59 GMT -6
I don't know of anybody that didn't question that trade as a bad deal for us. Name me any team in history that moved down 20 spots in the first round and received so little back. We even gave up our pick at 44!
My guess by moving down we save a ton of money in salary at 32 vs. 12. I'm not saying it was an A+ deal. You're right that it wasn't a huge return back, but you can only receive back what people are offering at that point in time. It doesn't matter that the Chiefs traded 2 firsts to move up from 22 to 10 for Mahomes. It doesn't matter that the Texans traded 2 firsts to move up from 25 to 12 for Deshaun Watson. If there was no first round pick available to us in a trade, it could be defensible to trade back and pick up some value if we feel we can get the same caliber player at 32 as 12. An extra second round pick is better than nothing. The $12 pick has a $3 million cap hit, #32 has a $2 million cap hit - fairly negligible difference. While what you say is only partially true because you forgot the slotted sugning bonus.
The #12 pick Jameson Williams Lions will be paid $3,174,871 salary and a signing bonus of $9,879,484 for a total compensation of $17,461,790 .
The #32 pick Lewis Cine Vikings will receibe a salary of $2,089,846 and a signing bonus of $5,539,384 for a total of $11,494,153. That's significant. 6 mil.
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Post by tmill720 on May 10, 2022 8:58:04 GMT -6
I'm not saying it was an A+ deal. You're right that it wasn't a huge return back, but you can only receive back what people are offering at that point in time. It doesn't matter that the Chiefs traded 2 firsts to move up from 22 to 10 for Mahomes. It doesn't matter that the Texans traded 2 firsts to move up from 25 to 12 for Deshaun Watson. If there was no first round pick available to us in a trade, it could be defensible to trade back and pick up some value if we feel we can get the same caliber player at 32 as 12. An extra second round pick is better than nothing. The $12 pick has a $3 million cap hit, #32 has a $2 million cap hit - fairly negligible difference. While what you say is only partially true because you forgot the slotted sugning bonus.
The #12 pick Jameson Williams Lions will be paid $3,174,871 salary and a signing bonus of $9,879,484 for a total compensation of $17,461,790 .
The #32 pick Lewis Cine Vikings will receibe a salary of $2,089,846 and a signing bonus of $5,539,384 for a total of $11,494,153. That's significant. 6 mil.
The cap hits are neglible, which is the important factor. The Wilfs have never been known or accused to pinch pennies like the Pohlads, so I doubt that would really impact Kwezi's decision making on such a high profile trade. Edit: I looked into it more and the total contract value of 12 and 46 is $1.024 million less than the combined contracts for 32,34, and 66.... so we actually end up paying more than the Lions.
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Post by stretcharmstrong on May 10, 2022 12:25:01 GMT -6
Kwesi had a new toy and drafted. It seemed like it too. He was unconventional having traded 6 different times.
Lots of people shaking their heads over how things got shook up.
If it works, he will be a genius and turn the franchise around. If it does not, he will be out as GM soon and sink the franchise for several years.
I do not think the results of the draft will be middle ground. It will be one way or another.
And gosh, there is a ton of purple kool-aid on picks made out there. It's like everyone will be on the roster and be a starter. And I'm not the only one to notice that.
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Post by levine on Dec 2, 2022 10:52:56 GMT -6
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Post by stretcharmstrong on Dec 13, 2022 9:28:49 GMT -6
Kwesi had a new toy and drafted. It seemed like it too. He was unconventional having traded 6 different times. Lots of people shaking their heads over how things got shook up. If it works, he will be a genius and turn the franchise around. If it does not, he will be out as GM soon and sink the franchise for several years. I do not think the results of the draft will be middle ground. It will be one way or another. And gosh, there is a ton of purple kool-aid on picks made out there. It's like everyone will be on the roster and be a starter. And I'm not the only one to notice that. So far his draft is not appearing to be genius. The top two drafted players out for the season having contributed next to nothing and not being able to get on the field when they were not injured. You have one player, Ingram contributing and that is it from the draft. And this may only be because we have nothing else. A slight upgrade from last year at RG. He cannot pass block a caterpillar. In year one of a draft class, that is not good.
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