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Post by kingsxman on Apr 5, 2024 7:09:34 GMT -6
Even 14M off KAT's salary is no small amount. Especially with us operating as a 1st apron team. 100% I'm just concerned that keeping KAT into next season means we can't afford to bring back Kyle, Morris, and JMac. The Wolves don't have an obvious top 10 player. We win with depth of talent and losing that will hurt. I'm with you. I would love to know what is going on within the brain trust's minds at 1600 first avenue right now in regards to what they are thinking of with KAT next year. Probably a lot will be determined by what happens in the playoffs. I love KAT the person and hate the thought of moving on from him just as the Wolves get good...but its the downside of taking a super max deal. If we can get one starter (or future starter: maybe a PG?) and 2 FR picks and enough relief to keep us out of the 2nd apron with all the raises that are coming.....I think you have to consider moving him. Probably a good conversation for the season thread.
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Post by BIG BAD WOLF on Apr 5, 2024 8:54:29 GMT -6
While we are on this topic, what do you guys think Gobert would get MIN on the transfer market? Could they get back what they paid for him and replace his production? Due to his age, he is the limiting factor on how wide the winning window is for this team. Might be a good thing trying to sell high on him and see what cheap rim protection you can bring in... now that the team made a name for itself on the winning market, there might be bargains to be had out there to mitigate this change!
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Post by levine on Apr 5, 2024 9:19:28 GMT -6
While we are on this topic, what do you guys think Gobert would get MIN on the transfer market? Could they get back what they paid for him and replace his production? Due to his age, he is the limiting factor on how wide the winning window is for this team. Might be a good thing trying to sell high on him and see what cheap rim protection you can bring in... now that the team made a name for itself on the winning market, there might be bargains to be had out there to mitigate this change! He's 31, in fantastic shape and the 2nd most important player on the team. Unless we're trading him for an absolute superstar (or maybe a young guy like Jalen Duren), I'm much more inclined to sign him to one more contract.
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Post by kingsxman on Apr 5, 2024 10:02:51 GMT -6
While we are on this topic, what do you guys think Gobert would get MIN on the transfer market? Could they get back what they paid for him and replace his production? Due to his age, he is the limiting factor on how wide the winning window is for this team. Might be a good thing trying to sell high on him and see what cheap rim protection you can bring in... now that the team made a name for itself on the winning market, there might be bargains to be had out there to mitigate this change! Gobert is one of the LAST people i'd be looking to move on this team. We are winning this year BECAUSE of Rudy. I think winning for this team is driven by (in order): Gobert, Ant, Conley, KAT, NAW, Jaden, NAZ, Kyle....then the rest. I dont think its even close at this point which big you move on from.
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Post by tmirvin on Apr 5, 2024 10:12:13 GMT -6
100% I'm just concerned that keeping KAT into next season means we can't afford to bring back Kyle, Morris, and JMac. The Wolves don't have an obvious top 10 player. We win with depth of talent and losing that will hurt. I'm with you. I would love to know what is going on within the brain trust's minds at 1600 first avenue right now in regards to what they are thinking of with KAT next year. Probably a lot will be determined by what happens in the playoffs. I love KAT the person and hate the thought of moving on from him just as the Wolves get good...but its the downside of taking a super max deal. If we can get one starter (or future starter: maybe a PG?) and 2 FR picks and enough relief to keep us out of the 2nd apron with all the raises that are coming.....I think you have to consider moving him. Probably a good conversation for the season thread. You heard it here first! Draft Bronny with their late first round pick, trade kat for big Bron, collect trophies!
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Post by BIG BAD WOLF on Apr 5, 2024 10:18:58 GMT -6
While we are on this topic, what do you guys think Gobert would get MIN on the transfer market? Could they get back what they paid for him and replace his production? Due to his age, he is the limiting factor on how wide the winning window is for this team. Might be a good thing trying to sell high on him and see what cheap rim protection you can bring in... now that the team made a name for itself on the winning market, there might be bargains to be had out there to mitigate this change! Gobert is one of the LAST people i'd be looking to move on this team. We are winning this year BECAUSE of Rudy. I think winning for this team is driven by (in order): Gobert, Ant, Conley, KAT, NAW, Jaden, NAZ, Kyle....then the rest. I dont think its even close at this point which big you move on from. We are not talking about this year. We are not talking about improving the team. We are on the topic of saving money/staying under the 2nd apron while extending the winning window. They brought in Gobert, paired him with KAT and it worked wonders! Now the question has to be asked: is there somebody else out there we can pair KAT/Ant with, in order to have equal or better results while lowering the financial commitments? This team's talent is their most important asset. Depth is their second most important asset. Both should be preserved and/or improved. In my book, Naz, Slo-Mo, McDaniels/NAW (in that order) should be just below the "untouchable" threshold this summer. Conley will probably stay here if money is halfway decent. Trading KAT, a lot of talent will drain away from here... sending top talent away is hardly an established winning procedure...
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Post by levine on Apr 5, 2024 10:29:27 GMT -6
Gobert is one of the LAST people i'd be looking to move on this team. We are winning this year BECAUSE of Rudy. I think winning for this team is driven by (in order): Gobert, Ant, Conley, KAT, NAW, Jaden, NAZ, Kyle....then the rest. I dont think its even close at this point which big you move on from. We are not talking about this year. We are not talking about improving the team. We are on the topic of saving money/staying under the 2nd apron while extending the winning window. They brought in Gobert, paired him with KAT and it worked wonders! Now the question has to be asked: is there somebody else out there we can pair KAT/Ant with, in order to have equal or better results while lowering the financial commitments? This team's talent is their most important asset. Depth is their second most important asset. Both should be preserved and/or improved. In my book, Naz, Slo-Mo, McDaniels/NAW (in that order) should be just below the "untouchable" threshold this summer. Conley will probably stay here if money is halfway decent. Trading KAT, a lot of talent will drain away from here... sending top talent away is hardly an established winning procedure... I trust Rudy to play in more games over the next 4 years than KAT.
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Post by levine on Apr 5, 2024 10:29:42 GMT -6
Conley will probably stay here if money is halfway decent. Conley is signed for 2 more years.
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Post by kingsxman on Apr 5, 2024 10:53:42 GMT -6
Gobert is one of the LAST people i'd be looking to move on this team. We are winning this year BECAUSE of Rudy. I think winning for this team is driven by (in order): Gobert, Ant, Conley, KAT, NAW, Jaden, NAZ, Kyle....then the rest. I dont think its even close at this point which big you move on from. We are not talking about this year. We are not talking about improving the team. We are on the topic of saving money/staying under the 2nd apron while extending the winning window. They brought in Gobert, paired him with KAT and it worked wonders! Now the question has to be asked: is there somebody else out there we can pair KAT/Ant with, in order to have equal or better results while lowering the financial commitments? This team's talent is their most important asset. Depth is their second most important asset. Both should be preserved and/or improved. In my book, Naz, Slo-Mo, McDaniels/NAW (in that order) should be just below the "untouchable" threshold this summer. Conley will probably stay here if money is halfway decent. Trading KAT, a lot of talent will drain away from here... sending top talent away is hardly an established winning procedure... I couldnt agree more with the bolded. Thats why you look to move KAT and not Rudy. Our identity at this point, and why we are winning, is because of our defense. We happen to have the defensive player of the year now on our team, who also makes LESS money than KAT over the next 2 years. (Rudy 43.8 and 46.6 million - KAT 49.3 and 59.3 respectively). I guess if you think KAT has more to do with our current record than Rudy....we can just stop now because facts wont matter. And we're also reading different books if you would do away with at least 2 (if not 3) of Naz, Slo-Mo, McDaniels/NAW in order to keep KAT. Of those 3, I'd rather keep KAT then Slo-Mo. But otherwise...give me the depth of these players vs KAT's talent. Also, we wouldnt JUST be removing KAT. We'd be getting at least 1 high level player and multiple draft picks. We've seen what Connelly can do with picks. To me..we extend the window even MORE with this approach.
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Post by jr on Apr 5, 2024 12:02:17 GMT -6
Here's a question for you money guys: If KAT sees he's going to get traded to a lesser team primarily because of his exorbitant contract, could KAT renegotiate and lower or extend his contract to accommodate the team's cap needs to remain with his best championship potential?
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Post by kingsxman on Apr 5, 2024 12:35:38 GMT -6
Here's a question for you money guys: If KAT sees he's going to get traded to a lesser team primarily because of his exorbitant contract, could KAT renegotiate and lower or extend his contract to accommodate the team's cap needs to remain with his best championship potential? I'm not a money guy but I'm pretty sure that the NBA cba doesnt allow for contracts to be renegotiated.
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Post by levine on Apr 5, 2024 13:23:24 GMT -6
Here's a question for you money guys: If KAT sees he's going to get traded to a lesser team primarily because of his exorbitant contract, could KAT renegotiate and lower or extend his contract to accommodate the team's cap needs to remain with his best championship potential? No to both. There really is no way to lower a player's salary on an existing contract. A contract for four or more seasons can be renegotiated after the third anniversary of its signing, extension, or previous renegotiation.Only teams under the cap can renegotiate a contract, and the salary in the then-current season can be increased only to the extent that the team has room under the cap (and cannot increase the player's salary beyond the maximum salary). A renegotiation can only be used to provide a salary increase -- players can't take a "pay cut" in order to create more cap room for the team. www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q58www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q59
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Post by BIG BAD WOLF on Apr 5, 2024 13:48:29 GMT -6
Before somebody (else) tries to bite my head off for suggesting the blasphemy of trading Rudy, let me re-iterate my stated logic: pairing Rudy with Ant/KAT & the gang worked well but it is not financially sustainable. It makes logical sense to ask if there is somebody else in the league, achievable thru a Gobert trade, that we can pair with the rest of the team and match or improve the results from this year while achieving some sort of financial relief. I am strongly convinced Rudy will command more assets on a trade than KAT, and any GM worth his salt should consider all alternatives to improve the team.
BTW, it is entirely possible the answer to the above question is "NO", but that does not mean the question should not be asked.
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Post by tmirvin on Apr 5, 2024 17:57:00 GMT -6
Before somebody (else) tries to bite my head off for suggesting the blasphemy of trading Rudy, let me re-iterate my stated logic: pairing Rudy with Ant/KAT & the gang worked well but it is not financially sustainable. It makes logical sense to ask if there is somebody else in the league, achievable thru a Gobert trade, that we can pair with the rest of the team and match or improve the results from this year while achieving some sort of financial relief. I am strongly convinced Rudy will command more assets on a trade than KAT, and any GM worth his salt should consider all alternatives to improve the team. BTW, it is entirely possible the answer to the above question is "NO", but that does not mean the question should not be asked. I would guess gobert doesn't fetch much more than kat in a trade, but you'd also lose more because gobert impacts winning more than kat does. You can't really replace Rudy as he's a pretty unique player. Who in the league could replicate his defensive presence? Naz already gives the wolves 75-80% of what kat does. I'd rather trade McDaniels than Rudy. Defensive wings are easier to come by, but McDaniel's has been showing nice improvement on his offensive game.
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