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Post by BIG BAD WOLF on Apr 3, 2024 15:19:20 GMT -6
It seems to be obvious at this point in the season (less than 10 games remaining in the regular season) the Europeans are running the show in the NBA in 2024. It is perfectly possible this year the MVP, ROTY, and DPOY are all European! To make things more interesting, the MVP runner up could very well be an European player. An All-European Team of players from the NBA could take on, and beat, any Rest-of-the-World team easily.
Joker Gobert Victor Freak Luka
...when you have Sabonis, Vucevic, Nurkic on the bench because there are five better guys ahead of them, this is not an isolated, generational player phenomenon, it is a system that works better than what we have here! It seems the school of sound fundamentals, good coaching and team first approach wins over the American model of iso play, all-athletic/no fundamentals, and individual excellence at any cost.
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Post by levine on Apr 3, 2024 15:40:50 GMT -6
Don't stop there.
Deni Avdija is having a breakout 4th year. 14/7/4 shooting 51/38/74.
Fontecchio is a stud no one talks about, Giddey, Caruso, Siakam...you could go on and on with legit impact players.
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Post by Nick K on Apr 3, 2024 19:43:35 GMT -6
It seems to be obvious at this point in the season (less than 10 games remaining in the regular season) the Europeans are running the show in the NBA in 2024. It is perfectly possible this year the MVP, ROTY, and DPOY are all European! To make things more interesting, the MVP runner up could very well be an European player. An All-European Team of players from the NBA could take on, and beat, any Rest-of-the-World team easily. JokerGobertVictorFreakLuka...when you have Sabonis, Vucevic, Nurkic on the bench because there are five better guys ahead of them, this is not an isolated, generational player phenomenon, it is a system that works better than what we have here! It seems the school of sound fundamentals, good coaching and team first approach wins over the American model of iso play, all-athletic/no fundamentals, and individual excellence at any cost. Great post. I agree especially with..." It seems the school of sound fundamentals, good coaching and team first approach wins over the American model of iso play, all-athletic/no fundamentals, and individual excellence at any cost."
Basketball has always been a team game. Make the simple play. No matter the sport sound fundamentals always win.
Now if we could fix the way the games are officiated. Let the guys play. Swallow the effing whistle! Make the calls when you have to.
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Post by BIG BAD WOLF on Apr 5, 2024 9:12:09 GMT -6
Now if we could fix the way the games are officiated. Let the guys play. Swallow the effing whistle! Make the calls when you have to.
That is another significant difference between the two systems: FIBA is a competitive sport; the NBA is entertainment. All the star calls, rookies "paying dues", super-star referees who think people buy tickets to watch them, phantom fouls, non-calls, flops... all are related to the entertainment aspect of the business. When you shake off that label, make a multi-tier system that promotes good teams and relegate bad ones, eliminate all incentive for losing games, THEN you will have a competitive product, and generate outstanding players as opposed to entertainers... All this college, developmental leagues mess could be very well organized into a lower tier league of its own and provide support players to the big teams and/or compete by themselves under the bright lights! Let the kids who want to learn a profession go to college, take all this "amateur" athlete out of the equation. Unchain the guys whose dream is to be professional athletes from the shackles of having to fake it in college before being allowed to follow their dream...
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Post by tmirvin on Apr 5, 2024 10:27:55 GMT -6
It seems to be obvious at this point in the season (less than 10 games remaining in the regular season) the Europeans are running the show in the NBA in 2024. It is perfectly possible this year the MVP, ROTY, and DPOY are all European! To make things more interesting, the MVP runner up could very well be an European player. An All-European Team of players from the NBA could take on, and beat, any Rest-of-the-World team easily. JokerGobertVictorFreakLuka...when you have Sabonis, Vucevic, Nurkic on the bench because there are five better guys ahead of them, this is not an isolated, generational player phenomenon, it is a system that works better than what we have here! It seems the school of sound fundamentals, good coaching and team first approach wins over the American model of iso play, all-athletic/no fundamentals, and individual excellence at any cost. I'm not quite sure what you're saying. You have an all European team vs a rest-or-the-world team, but then say Europe has a better developmental system than the USA. If you're comparing European players to American players, then yes they should have better players as their population is at least 1.5 times greater than USA's giving them more people to develop. I think we can all agree that Europe has a better system. Their really good players are playing professionally as early teenagers. American has child labor laws that would prohibit that. Their system seems to foster player development, whereas America's system is all about generating revenue. One thing you omitted though was freak, jokic, and gobert all took quite a bit of time to develop once they got to the NBA. I think in a few years we are going to look back on wemby and say the same thing, but not as much as the others (he's only scratching his surface). Luka is the only one who came over and excelled right away. Sure, the groundwork and fundamentals were set in place in Europe, but they were honed once they came to america. Who's to say which training was more valuable?
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Post by BIG BAD WOLF on Apr 5, 2024 13:38:23 GMT -6
It seems to be obvious at this point in the season (less than 10 games remaining in the regular season) the Europeans are running the show in the NBA in 2024. It is perfectly possible this year the MVP, ROTY, and DPOY are all European! To make things more interesting, the MVP runner up could very well be an European player. An All-European Team of players from the NBA could take on, and beat, any Rest-of-the-World team easily. JokerGobertVictorFreakLuka...when you have Sabonis, Vucevic, Nurkic on the bench because there are five better guys ahead of them, this is not an isolated, generational player phenomenon, it is a system that works better than what we have here! It seems the school of sound fundamentals, good coaching and team first approach wins over the American model of iso play, all-athletic/no fundamentals, and individual excellence at any cost. I'm not quite sure what you're saying. You have an all European team vs a rest-or-the-world team, but then say Europe has a better developmental system than the USA. If you're comparing European players to American players, then yes they should have better players as their population is at least 1.5 times greater than USA's giving them more people to develop. I think we can all agree that Europe has a better system. Their really good players are playing professionally as early teenagers. American has child labor laws that would prohibit that. Their system seems to foster player development, whereas America's system is all about generating revenue. One thing you omitted though was freak, jokic, and gobert all took quite a bit of time to develop once they got to the NBA. I think in a few years we are going to look back on wemby and say the same thing, but not as much as the others (he's only scratching his surface). Luka is the only one who came over and excelled right away. Sure, the groundwork and fundamentals were set in place in Europe, but they were honed once they came to america. Who's to say which training was more valuable? OK, let's unpack your info here: - Team Europe could play and win against any other team in the world. I do not think that is debatable at this point... It is entirely possible The Dream Team would have a hard time against what Team Europe can put out there these days! - Population size is definitely not a valid argument here. China, India and Indonesia have larger populations than USA, yet they cannot compare on a basketball court! So that cannot be it! Basketball is the quintessential American sport (invented by a Canadian...). It is that much more surprising that Europe, where basketball trails in popularity behind soccer, hockey and probably handball as well (to name the team sports only), puts out a better product than USA. - In Europe, the big clubs have Academies for the developing players. That is like a prep school operated and funded by the Club. Centralizing the school and athletic development under the same umbrella, with very well-defined roles, priorities and goals, allows them to mold real good players and citizens. Much better results than the American helter-skelter, mix and match system of prep schools, AAU, colleges and developmental leagues... - European players coming into the NBA, take a few years to match the physicality of the game here. Since so many more skilled players are able to adjust to the physical aspect of the game than athletically gifted players adjusting to the fundamentals, it goes to reason that the youth development should focus more on the team and fundamental skills and less on running and jumping... My original point was that the NBA could stand to learn a few things from the European FIBA... because they seem to have written the book on how to develop really good players. We would only need to read and understand that book, and then USA could, rightfully so, re-claim the top spot in the world of basketball.
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Post by tmirvin on Apr 5, 2024 18:07:22 GMT -6
With what you laid out, does all the development fall under fiba? Because when you say the NBA could learn a thing or two about developing players from fiba, it's not really a fair comparison. The NBA gets their hands on players, generally no earlier than 19. Fiba's much younger. Now, if you are saying Europe's system for developing players is much than the USA's, then no argument from me. But again, america is all about making money and will step on people to do so versus helping someone up.
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