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Post by darko on Oct 4, 2024 8:31:15 GMT -6
And FYI the issues with paying Karl the supermax where the same pre-new CBA. Has nothing to do with new CBA no matter how often we say it.
I do think with the cap going up, Rudy taking less, Kat's number is not as crazy if you're talking about what contracts will be the last half. That has always been true.
Naz, McD are more interchangeable, but I guess now they have the opportunity to prove they are those dudes, and maybe they will.
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Post by darko on Oct 4, 2024 8:34:40 GMT -6
Punish teams that draft well is an intentional misframe (should you choose to accept). OKC should have to decide between Chet, and SGA, + two 15's, or Chet, SGA, Williams. It's the decision GS never had to make due to new tv money, and their owner being able to blow past the lux tax for multiple years. That's why HTB and Vecna are telling fans this. It is not true.
What they are leaving out is their teams can all afford to do that, your teams cannot (this was the reality of the league until this new CBA). They want to keep Indy and Minnesota as farm systems for like six teams.
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Post by darko on Oct 4, 2024 8:43:48 GMT -6
GS is currently trying to move Kuminga for a player better than Steph before they have to pay him. They could just not pay him, and risk losing him, which is how the league is supposed to work. It used to be called free agency, so young teams with cap space can sign those guys versus GS and Cleveland loading up.
I don't know why people don't believe me. What I am saying is real.
Same way they tried to tell us the whole league is Allen Iverson now, because they know their boys benefited from FOM and overspending more than any teams.
Or like how they tried to pressure Pel's into paying Tre Murphy now because they work for Jeff Schwartz. Not everything they do is spin, but all of the narrative things are, where they are trying to frame on behalf of their guys and then for some reason The Horde adopts those opinions. It's nature.
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Post by tmill720 on Oct 4, 2024 8:51:56 GMT -6
Another thing...who gets cut? Wolves are at 16 players after the 3 for 1 trade. Dozier seems like the likely casualty given that his contract is not guaranteed, but we know Connelly loves him and he's got secondary ball handling ability. KBD is the other candidate, but he's guaranteed so it doesn't save any money/tax. He's got more size and length as a combo forward. He wasn't good at all last year when PHX really needed him to be a depth guy and was eventually trading him to BRK. He had a decent year with the Spurs 2 years ago though. With Donte, we may not need Dozier's secondary ball handling as much so my guess is that Dozier is gone. Gotta be Dozier. KBD was at least in the NBA last season... My biggest question now is what do we do if Gobert gets hurt? Or needs a rest day? Are we going small-ball with Randle/Naz starting, and then have one of Garza/Minnott/Miller coming off the bench as the "center"? |
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Post by levine on Oct 4, 2024 9:46:14 GMT -6
Glen's camp seems to think we took a step back this season. I'll take Tim Connelly's basketball takes over Glen Taylor's. |
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Post by levine on Oct 4, 2024 9:47:33 GMT -6
We can boost our O, and go from 18 to whatever, when could have done that with the same roster IMO, and smarter offense. We could be a more fun, more efficient offense, and still be a worse team, which is what I expect to happen, barring the wildness of injuries, and how that can totally reshape everything. A huge part of the problem is Ant and KAT's game never really meshed. I know you're going to blame Finch, but that's all in your head. |
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Post by levine on Oct 4, 2024 9:50:37 GMT -6
I do think with the cap going up, Rudy taking less, Kat's number is not as crazy if you're talking about what contracts will be the last half. That has always been true. In a vacuum, absolutely. In reality, its not that Black and White. You posted elsewhere about teams being wary of signing injury risk players to big contracts. That's KAT. • He's missed at least 20 games in 4 of the past 5 years. • He's entered the Playoffs the past 2 years trying to come back from a major injury • He had the "quick fix" on his knee last year to be able to play in the Playoffs as opposed to a more permanent repair. Add those up, and KAT is a huge risk as he's just starting his Super Max extension this season. |
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Post by levine on Oct 4, 2024 10:50:38 GMT -6
So far, it's all good — and pleasantly surprising — for the Randles in Minnesota.
"I'm not going to lie, when we heard Minnesota it was pretty shocking, although we were so ready to leave New York. Living in a condo with two kids is so hard. I don't care what anyone says, it was a great experience but we were already looking to move outside of the city. It was getting so hard and overwhelming for us because my husband is from Texas and I'm from Kentucky and that's just not how we grew up," Kendra explained.
"When we heard Minnesota it was pretty shocking. But when we got here, we were driving around and I'm like, 'these neighborhoods are gorgeous,' like we love it. It's so beautiful, the people are so nice, there's so many nice restaurants. It's just things that you wouldn't know. I know it gets cold, but it's cold in New York, too, and I heard they make the most of the snow here so we're really excited for a new switch up, a new chapter for our family."
Kendra said they are "super blessed" to "have the means" to handle a significant life change that impacts far more than the player in the headlines.www.si.com/nba/timberwolves/minnesota-timberwolves-reactions/after-shocking-trade-julius-randle-s-wife-pleasantly-surprised-by-gorgeous-minnesota-01j99cavv0ck
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Post by darko on Oct 4, 2024 10:51:09 GMT -6
I know you're going to blame Finch, but that's all in your head. I think if you want to play five out flow, and you have the personnel to do fine. That's not what we have done, and for some reason instead of adjusting to our team, and their strengths we said no Kat must go we want Finchy's flow. That's fine, but it's a different goal than trying to beat Dallas last year. Or the past several years. O will be better than 18, team will be worse. But yes I agree Kat's health is a risk, Knicks are betting he's healthy for 60 games and playoffs the next few seasons, Wolves are betting we can find a second star down the road. With Ant we have as good a chance as any, but it's not a given. |
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Post by XRaySpecs on Oct 4, 2024 11:32:22 GMT -6
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Post by XRaySpecs on Oct 4, 2024 11:38:27 GMT -6
And FYI the issues with paying Karl the supermax where the same pre-new CBA. Has nothing to do with new CBA no matter how often we say No matter how much you say this, it's still not true. They literally put in rules that effect team building at higher spending levels that weren't present before. Yes, a team could keep all their players in either environment assuming unlimited owner money, but the new CBA now impacts trades, signings, and draft picks differently at the levels of spending we're talking about. |
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Post by XRaySpecs on Oct 4, 2024 11:56:05 GMT -6
Glen's camp seems to think we took a step back this season. I'm not sure you're understanding that quote correctly. Glen was ok to pay and didn't want to the make the team worse yet still said ok to the trade? He's presently in charge so if "his camp" thought the deal made the Wolves worse why did he let it happen? Connelly doesn't get to do whatever he wants. Obviously Connelly thought this was a good trade. He took it to Glen and you're suggesting that Glen thought it was a bad deal yet did it anyway? |
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Post by XRaySpecs on Oct 4, 2024 12:28:35 GMT -6
So far, it's all good — and pleasantly surprising — for the Randles in Minnesota.
"I'm not going to lie, when we heard Minnesota it was pretty shocking, although we were so ready to leave New York. Living in a condo with two kids is so hard. I don't care what anyone says, it was a great experience but we were already looking to move outside of the city. It was getting so hard and overwhelming for us because my husband is from Texas and I'm from Kentucky and that's just not how we grew up," Kendra explained.
"When we heard Minnesota it was pretty shocking. But when we got here, we were driving around and I'm like, 'these neighborhoods are gorgeous,' like we love it. It's so beautiful, the people are so nice, there's so many nice restaurants. It's just things that you wouldn't know. I know it gets cold, but it's cold in New York, too, and I heard they make the most of the snow here so we're really excited for a new switch up, a new chapter for our family."
Kendra said they are "super blessed" to "have the means" to handle a significant life change that impacts far more than the player in the headlines.www.si.com/nba/timberwolves/minnesota-timberwolves-reactions/after-shocking-trade-julius-randle-s-wife-pleasantly-surprised-by-gorgeous-minnesota-01j99cavv0ck One of us! One of us! |
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Post by darko on Oct 4, 2024 13:31:14 GMT -6
And FYI the issues with paying Karl the supermax where the same pre-new CBA. Has nothing to do with new CBA no matter how often we say No matter how much you say this, it's still not true. They literally put in rules that affect team building at higher spending levels that weren't present before. Yes, a team could keep all their players in either environment assuming unlimited owner money, but the new CBA now impacts trades, signings, and draft picks differently at the levels of spending we're talking about. All the new CBA does is prohibit teams from multi year going over the tax. The league most commonly has been a two star league (max all-star caliber) and the Heat were among the first to change it up and get three in their prime. That came off the KG going to the C’s. LeBron’s like I have to get somewhere another star can join. Core four, big three no change. And yes it has always been about health, which determine legacies, team success etc. HTB would always talk about how talented the league is, but then when teams have to evenly spread it out, he freaks out Steph, Daryl, and C’s can’t just be ten deep anymore. Sign and trades were great for star carousel, but new CBA is how it is supposed to work. Teams typically have two, in some cases home grown and they have long careers with that team. SA’s run was Manu, Parker, and Duncan, the rest of the cast was always evolving, because they paid those guys. As they should have. Wolves could have kept Kat, but sure it’s always a risk. Randle could get hurt tomorrow, or Chet, and wah la, they’re not as good. Cav’s a great example, Bulls recent run, all killed by injuries. It is always a risk, and I don’t know if Karl is more than others but the Knicks thought he is worth the risk. Could backfire. As long as Wolves had Kat, they were under tremendous pressure to win, and now we’re not. It’s fine to say I would not keep Kat, but the Wolves for sure could have, new or old CBA. If you want to frame it as that, just make sure to say to keep Naz Reid. It’s fine, we have to just let the chips fall now, I just was geared up for a run, and now I’m looking at stars that could be up in a year or two, and waiting on Leo Miller Time. |
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Post by Nick K on Oct 4, 2024 20:07:51 GMT -6
I'm going to miss Kat but I really believe in Connelly and Finch and if they thought it was the way to go I'm all in.
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Post by kingsxman on Oct 5, 2024 9:07:00 GMT -6
Glen's camp seems to think we took a step back this season. I'll take Tim Connelly's basketball takes over Glen Taylor's. Yeah. The take that we care what Glen thinks is silly. Glen also thinks Target center is "just fine". Glen kept his son in law in a position of power in the team for years. Glen doenst know shit. Glen knows "comfortable". |
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Post by levine on Oct 7, 2024 14:22:30 GMT -6
Edwards was quick to praise DiVincenzo, the Wolves’ newest sharpshooter. Ant has been vocal about wanting to model certain parts of his game after Steph Curry, especially his movement without the ball. Watching Curry weave through defenses, never stopping, always finding open space—that’s something Ant knows he can add to his own game. And DiVincenzo? He’s the perfect guy to learn from. Edwards mentioned how impressed he is with Donte’s off-ball movement, and it’s easy to see how DiVincenzo’s three-point shooting could complement Ant’s dynamic drives to the basket. Just picture it—Ant breaking down a defense, kicking it out to DDV for a wide-open three. It’s a dream scenario for Wolves fans, especially after watching Minnesota’s offense stagnate at times during their playoff run. What’s encouraging is Ant’s maturity in recognizing his own areas of improvement. We know he can slash through defenses, and we know he’s a threat from deep, but he’s clearly focused on becoming more efficient without the ball. It’s another sign that this kid is evolving into a full-fledged superstar—he’s no longer just a highlight machine, but a more complete player who’s thinking about the bigger picture. This feels like something he picked up during his time with Team USA this summer, rubbing shoulders with guys like LeBron, KD, and Steph. It’s clear he soaked up as much knowledge as he could from those vets, and we’re going to see it play out on the court this season. www.canishoopus.com/2024/10/7/24264676/anthony-edwards-dishes-on-donte-dillingham-and-starting-5 |
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Post by jojo on Oct 7, 2024 15:08:13 GMT -6
Sounds good but I’m a little believe it when I see it with Ant. He’s so ball dominant it will take a major change in his thought process to become a good off ball player. I’d be super impressed if he pulls it off.
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Post by levine on Oct 7, 2024 15:20:16 GMT -6
Sounds good but I’m a little believe it when I see it with Ant. He’s so ball dominant it will take a major change in his thought process to become a good off ball player. I’d be super impressed if he pulls it off. He's apparently very good at it. I'd love to see the volume go up. |
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Post by tmirvin on Oct 8, 2024 18:12:05 GMT -6
Sounds good but I’m a little believe it when I see it with Ant. He’s so ball dominant it will take a major change in his thought process to become a good off ball player. I’d be super impressed if he pulls it off. He's apparently very good at it. I'd love to see the volume go up. I saw an interview where they asked him what part of his game he worked on this off-season and without hesitation, he answered "catch-and-shoot 3's." |
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Post by Nick K on Oct 8, 2024 21:12:38 GMT -6
Edwards was quick to praise DiVincenzo, the Wolves’ newest sharpshooter. Ant has been vocal about wanting to model certain parts of his game after Steph Curry, especially his movement without the ball. Watching Curry weave through defenses, never stopping, always finding open space—that’s something Ant knows he can add to his own game. And DiVincenzo? He’s the perfect guy to learn from. Edwards mentioned how impressed he is with Donte’s off-ball movement, and it’s easy to see how DiVincenzo’s three-point shooting could complement Ant’s dynamic drives to the basket. Just picture it—Ant breaking down a defense, kicking it out to DDV for a wide-open three. It’s a dream scenario for Wolves fans, especially after watching Minnesota’s offense stagnate at times during their playoff run. What’s encouraging is Ant’s maturity in recognizing his own areas of improvement. We know he can slash through defenses, and we know he’s a threat from deep, but he’s clearly focused on becoming more efficient without the ball. It’s another sign that this kid is evolving into a full-fledged superstar—he’s no longer just a highlight machine, but a more complete player who’s thinking about the bigger picture. This feels like something he picked up during his time with Team USA this summer, rubbing shoulders with guys like LeBron, KD, and Steph. It’s clear he soaked up as much knowledge as he could from those vets, and we’re going to see it play out on the court this season. www.canishoopus.com/2024/10/7/24264676/anthony-edwards-dishes-on-donte-dillingham-and-starting-5Good stuff. |
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Post by XRaySpecs on Oct 9, 2024 11:09:47 GMT -6
Another thing...who gets cut? Wolves are at 16 players after the 3 for 1 trade. Dozier seems like the likely casualty given that his contract is not guaranteed, but we know Connelly loves him and he's got secondary ball handling ability. KBD is the other candidate, but he's guaranteed so it doesn't save any money/tax. He's got more size and length as a combo forward. He wasn't good at all last year when PHX really needed him to be a depth guy and was eventually trading him to BRK. He had a decent year with the Spurs 2 years ago though. With Donte, we may not need Dozier's secondary ball handling as much so my guess is that Dozier is gone. Gotta be Dozier. KBD was at least in the NBA last season... My biggest question now is what do we do if Gobert gets hurt? Or needs a rest day? Are we going small-ball with Randle/Naz starting, and then have one of Garza/Minnott/Miller coming off the bench as the "center"? I guess another option would be to find a team that would trade for KBD. Not sure if anyone would give up a 2nd for him though. In a vacuum, KBD is a better player and having a big wing for depth makes more sense to me. I believe Dozier has a $1M guarantee on his deal though so he'll still get plus the Wolves will have to pay the tax for that $1M. Dozier surely isn't a trade candidate so I could see a scenario where the Wolves deal KBD and keep Dozier to save the $1M plus tax. As far as what happens with a Gobert injury or rest, I'd guess you're right that we go small with Garza getting the backup big minutes. I don't think they'd start Garza. |
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Post by levine on Oct 9, 2024 11:27:29 GMT -6
Its interesting that Garza's one significant minutes game last year (22:23) was against Denver and he held his own. 11 points, 6 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 block in a 3 point loss.
It was a game where Denver was at full-strength and we were missing Rudy and KAT.
Jokic had a huge game against him (35/16), but we almost pulled it off.
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Post by XRaySpecs on Oct 9, 2024 12:37:52 GMT -6
Its interesting that Garza's one significant minutes game last year (22:23) was against Denver and he held his own. 11 points, 6 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 block in a 3 point loss. It was a game where Denver was at full-strength and we were missing Rudy and KAT. Jokic had a huge game against him (35/16), but we almost pulled it off. He has physical limitations (slow footed) that just can't change, but you have to admire the work he has put in to get himself in the best shape possible. His offensive game certainly can work as his rebounding, ability to score around the hoop, and ability to hit 3s are pillars of efficient offense. Obviously the concern is on defense. In the regular season, a backup center who's limited on D, but provides efficient O could be workable. Especially on a team that can play at least 3 good defensive players next to him. The Denver game you referenced is a good example of his limitations. He can't be a starter because of the D, but could he play 12 minutes if they came with units of say Ant, Donte, NAW, and Jaden in a 5 out lineup with defenders at every other position? |
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Post by quinn on Oct 10, 2024 7:58:20 GMT -6
Its interesting that Garza's one significant minutes game last year (22:23) was against Denver and he held his own. 11 points, 6 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 block in a 3 point loss. It was a game where Denver was at full-strength and we were missing Rudy and KAT. Jokic had a huge game against him (35/16), but we almost pulled it off. He has physical limitations (slow footed) that just can't change, but you have to admire the work he has put in to get himself in the best shape possible. His offensive game certainly can work as his rebounding, ability to score around the hoop, and ability to hit 3s are pillars of efficient offense. Obviously the concern is on defense. In the regular season, a backup center who's limited on D, but provides efficient O could be workable. Especially on a team that can play at least 3 good defensive players next to him. The Denver game you referenced is a good example of his limitations. He can't be a starter because of the D, but could he play 12 minutes if they came with units of say Ant, Donte, NAW, and Jaden in a 5 out lineup with defenders at every other position? I think both Garza and KBD are probably rotation players on other (worse) rosters in the league. Given a healthy year again for the Wolves, I wonder how many of the deeper bench guys Connelly will look to move for some 2nd round draft capital. My guess is you could get some decent mid 2nd round picks for each of those guys. I just wonder if Garza's defense will ever be passable enough to keep him in a rotation. The offense is for sure NBA caliber, but he's just not very intimidating on defense. Losing weight probably won't help him against burlier centers either. |
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