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Post by tmill720 on Oct 27, 2024 20:32:39 GMT -6
Is he not saying their defensive rotations were bad? Not their substitutions, but their players weren’t making the right decisions when scrambling around on defense? That’s not tanking - tanking teams want their players to learn how to play defense correctly.
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Post by XRaySpecs on Oct 29, 2024 7:37:46 GMT -6
Connelly getting off the KAT contract is looking better and better to me. It looks like the book is out on how to defend KAT. Just guard him with a smaller guy to limit his 3s and stay in front of his drives. If he gets inside, just bring help and KAT won't be able to make you pay enough as his passing isn't great. That supermax deal would have sunk the Wolves during Ant's prime. I've read/heard that the deal hurt the Wolves playoff ceiling this year, but I don't know if KAT is that good anymore offensively to put him in the class of player that elevates a team's ceiling that much. Playoff basketball is all about specific matchups and adjustments and it looks like those adjustments are likely to hurt KAT more than he can elevate a ceiling.
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Post by tmirvin on Oct 29, 2024 14:12:50 GMT -6
Connelly getting off the KAT contract is looking better and better to me. It looks like the book is out on how to defend KAT. Just guard him with a smaller guy to limit his 3s and stay in front of his drives. If he gets inside, just bring help and KAT won't be able to make you pay enough as his passing isn't great. That supermax deal would have sunk the Wolves during Ant's prime. I've read/heard that the deal hurt the Wolves playoff ceiling this year, but I don't know if KAT is that good anymore offensively to put him in the class of player that elevates a team's ceiling that much. Playoff basketball is all about specific matchups and adjustments and it looks like those adjustments are likely to hurt KAT more than he can elevate a ceiling. Kat is a better player than donte, but factoring in their salary, donte is the better value. I like the physical attitude randle brings and he's a willing second option. Kat was reluctant to shoot 3's and he couldn't force the issue on offense. Randle seems like he can "get his" way more often than kat could, which will make him a better fit for this team when ant is ineffective. Kat also fouled out last game against the cavs and took the 6th most shots on the team.
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Post by levine on Oct 29, 2024 16:04:06 GMT -6
Connelly getting off the KAT contract is looking better and better to me. It looks like the book is out on how to defend KAT. Just guard him with a smaller guy to limit his 3s and stay in front of his drives. If he gets inside, just bring help and KAT won't be able to make you pay enough as his passing isn't great. That supermax deal would have sunk the Wolves during Ant's prime. I've read/heard that the deal hurt the Wolves playoff ceiling this year, but I don't know if KAT is that good anymore offensively to put him in the class of player that elevates a team's ceiling that much. Playoff basketball is all about specific matchups and adjustments and it looks like those adjustments are likely to hurt KAT more than he can elevate a ceiling. Kat is a better player than donte, but factoring in their salary, donte is the better value. I like the physical attitude randle brings and he's a willing second option. Kat was reluctant to shoot 3's and he couldn't force the issue on offense. Randle seems like he can "get his" way more often than kat could, which will make him a better fit for this team when ant is ineffective. Kat also fouled out last game against the cavs and took the 6th most shots on the team. KAT has taken 28 total shots and only six 3s in his 3 games.
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Post by darko on Oct 29, 2024 19:39:56 GMT -6
Is he not saying their defensive rotations were bad? Not their substitutions, but their players weren’t making the right decisions when scrambling around on defense? That’s not tanking - tanking teams want their players to learn how to play defense correctly. It would be unusual to be talking about missed defensive rotations on the court. Is it weird or bad? It’s a young tanking team, rotations and whether or not they are puzzling is about personnel. I suppose he could be saying that, but it’s just like the Pistons last year, he must want Billups out of there.
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Post by darko on Oct 29, 2024 20:05:29 GMT -6
Connelly getting off the KAT contract is looking better and better to me. It looks like the book is out on how to defend KAT. Just guard him with a smaller guy to limit his 3s and stay in front of his drives. If he gets inside, just bring help and KAT won't be able to make you pay enough as his passing isn't great. That supermax deal would have sunk the Wolves during Ant's prime. I've read/heard that the deal hurt the Wolves playoff ceiling this year, but I don't know if KAT is that good anymore offensively to put him in the class of player that elevates a team's ceiling that much. Playoff basketball is all about specific matchups and adjustments and it looks like those adjustments are likely to hurt KAT more than he can elevate a ceiling. Kat’s played well, but if the measure is shots and points than I guess that’s a different goal. The main thing is they don’t think Kat is a point guard, but fans should watch the games versus count how many three’s a player shoots. It’s also why he doesn’t get enough credit for last years playoff run. It should look more like Boston and Porzingis.
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Post by levine on Oct 30, 2024 9:49:00 GMT -6
Connelly getting off the KAT contract is looking better and better to me. It looks like the book is out on how to defend KAT. Just guard him with a smaller guy to limit his 3s and stay in front of his drives. If he gets inside, just bring help and KAT won't be able to make you pay enough as his passing isn't great. That supermax deal would have sunk the Wolves during Ant's prime. I've read/heard that the deal hurt the Wolves playoff ceiling this year, but I don't know if KAT is that good anymore offensively to put him in the class of player that elevates a team's ceiling that much. Playoff basketball is all about specific matchups and adjustments and it looks like those adjustments are likely to hurt KAT more than he can elevate a ceiling. Kat’s played well, but if the measure is shots and points than I guess that’s a different goal. The main thing is they don’t think Kat is a point guard, but fans should watch the games versus count how many three’s a player shoots. It’s also why he doesn’t get enough credit for last years playoff run. It should look more like Boston and Porzingis. He's played well offensively in 1 of 3 games. In the losses the opponents attacked him on both ends.
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Post by darko on Oct 30, 2024 9:51:30 GMT -6
He's played well offensively in 1 of 3 games. Are you saying the Indy game?
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Post by darko on Oct 30, 2024 9:58:54 GMT -6
Cav's game they lost 110-104, he had 13, but Knicks had six guys in double digits. Hub not initiator.
I will say that Cav's primary issues for two years are keeping their core four healthy, who I would say is Garland, Mitchell, Mobley, and Allen. If those four are healthy they can play with the best of the east.
Thibs is also playing eight, but I view that more as injury induced he wants to play four.
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Post by Nick K on Oct 30, 2024 20:29:04 GMT -6
Kat just put up 44 and 13 in the Knicks win over Miami.
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Post by darko on Oct 30, 2024 23:20:19 GMT -6
And Bulls beat Orlando.
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Post by jojo on Oct 31, 2024 5:17:08 GMT -6
Kat just put up 44 and 13 in the Knicks win over Miami. Good for him still rooting for the guy.
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Post by Nick K on Oct 31, 2024 8:16:49 GMT -6
Kat just put up 44 and 13 in the Knicks win over Miami. Good for him still rooting for the guy. I love Kat's talent and him being a great teammate and great here in the community. I'll always root for him execpt against us.
I can understand why they did the trade. I would have moved Rudy but Rudy signing for less on the extension might have been in the works before the trade. I must say I've liked what I've seen with Randle overall.
Wolves must fix the sloppy turnovers and improve their defense if they want to go anywhere.
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Post by kingsxman on Oct 31, 2024 12:00:58 GMT -6
Kat just put up 44 and 13 in the Knicks win over Miami. Good for him still rooting for the guy. Absolutely. I want to see him succeed there. Even if his coach is Thibs.
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Post by darko on Oct 31, 2024 12:32:11 GMT -6
He might be starting here by the end of the year if Minnesota Mike doesn’t turn it around.
And it’s compared to his role in NY, which was now behind Bridges.
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Post by kingsxman on Oct 31, 2024 15:30:32 GMT -6
He might be starting here by the end of the year if Minnesota Mike doesn’t turn it around. And it’s compared to his role in NY, which was now behind Bridges. I really have no concerns about Mike Conley. He'll be fine.
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Post by darko on Oct 31, 2024 22:47:07 GMT -6
Orlando nearing the two years ago Cleve squad, and current OKC team.
Time to pay the piper.
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Shams Charania: Just In: Orlando Magic superstar Paolo Banchero has been diagnosed with a torn right oblique and is sidelined indefinitely, sources tell ESPN. He will be re-evaluated in four-to-six weeks and return to play will be based on how he responds to treatment. – via x.com
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Post by darko on Oct 31, 2024 22:48:37 GMT -6
Who’s is better Franz + Black, Mark, Naz, or Randle?
There is always more pressure on the original team to pay market value.
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Post by darko on Oct 31, 2024 22:57:29 GMT -6
Which again, the idea that Boston was an organic build could not be more false. Holiday, Porzingis, White, it’s literally two players and sort of Horford (who was always better than Love despite points tracker).
The analytics which is based on last years data is also massively flawed given the East post all-star break. The thing that will counter three ball is the overly three ball.
Pacers had among the best O’s in the league and the math didn’t work. There are things they could implement like evening corner three’s to above the break distance, but more importantly resetting the shot clock to 24 that would bring back the value of bigs compared to three point chuck fest, same thing we saw year one of FOM.
Also I can’t believe I didn’t previously link Finch to Rockets tree. No wonder he’s branded as an offensive genius. PR is public relation for propaganda. It is not a coincidence Finch and Rosas are butterflies compared to Kahn or McHale (our Paul Bunyan).
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Post by darko on Nov 1, 2024 2:08:05 GMT -6
Someone remind Pat Bev he’s out of the league. One of the reasons Jazz has trouble with quick scoring guards is Gordon Hayward was a guard trying to defend on those teams. He left btw when they added Rubio, could have had he Mitchell, Gobert and Favors though obviously beantown injury hobbled his career.
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The Timberwolves’ defense is anchored by reigning Defensive Player of the Year Rudy Gobert. Recently, retired NBA guard Gordon Hayward, who played alongside Gobert for several seasons with the Utah Jazz, broke down the one key weakness that Gobert has on that side of the floor during a visit to the Pat Bev Podcast with Rone. “He always had problems guarding around the perimeter and that was something anytime we played like a quick guard that can also shoot it was going to be tough for us,” said Hayward. “We had really tough times against Boston when they had IT (Isiah Thomas). We had really tough times against Kemba, we had really tough times against Dame. Guards that if he came out too far they go right around him, and if he’s back at all they’re just shooting.” – via Clutch Points
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Post by darko on Nov 4, 2024 6:54:51 GMT -6
I’ve heard more than one rival team since the trade, mind you, wonder aloud about whether having a player of Karl-Anthony Towns’ caliber on the roster for a potential future Giannis Antetokounmpo offer was among the Knicks’ motivations for giving in on their long-held reluctance to include Donte DiVincenzo in trade talks with the Timberwolves and push for that deal’s completion when they did on top of New York’s obvious need for a frontline center. – via marcstein.substack.com
Insider Marc Stein reported Sunday that the Knicks are among four teams most likely to credibly push for Giannis Antetokounmpo, joining three more well-known contenders — the Nets, Heat and Warriors. Of course, the Knicks just unloaded the vast majority of their assets to acquire Mikal Bridges and Karl-Anthony Towns, making it difficult to match offers the Bucks would field. As a result, a source deemed it “very unlikely” the Knicks can find a way to land Antetokounmpo. – via New York Post
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Post by darko on Nov 4, 2024 6:56:21 GMT -6
Some guys are just snakebit. Really bites his career’s been so mangled by injuries.
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K.C. Johnson: Bulls list Zach LaVine questionable vs. Jazz with new injury, a right adductor strain. Jalen Smith and Patrick Williams are probable. – via Twitter KCJHoop
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Post by darko on Nov 4, 2024 6:58:23 GMT -6
Might be a good night to rest Rudy if Mark is out. Hoping he isn’t on the jury track for his career.
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Chris Hine: A leaky Timberwolves defense may be without Rudy Gobert, who is questionable tomorrow because of a left ankle sprain – via x.com
Rod Boone: Brandon Miller (left glute/injury management) is questionable for tomorrow’s gameagainst Minnesota. Nick Richards (right shoulder soreness) and Mark Williams are out. – via Twitter rodboone
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Post by darko on Nov 4, 2024 11:08:57 GMT -6
With the Save Our Steph committee doing everything they can to net Steph Giannis or Jimmy, it reminds me how much FOM jacked with team decisions.
Specifically Jimmy, where Holiday is forced to back pedal, or stay to the side of him as he plows to the rim, and then at the rim, you could not touch him, he would create the contact, and get free throws, as well as one of the teams best defenders picking up a foul.
Or like how Grant Williams, and Marcus Smart would just plant their heads in Giannis's armpit/turn radius and draw the offensive foul. That and most of the NBA intellectual Dark Web, specifically Vecna and Bontemps would crush Bud when the reality is they were more injured than their opponents since the title year. The narrative wars have put so much pressure on them, they make the Dame trade, based on Holiday not being able to guard Jimmy (under FOM), and it was just a bs league.
As to whether or not Giannis should ask to leave now, it all depends on what intel they have on Middleton, they seemed to bet on him when they resigned him effectively over Holiday, so they must have had some belief he could come back, and maybe odds were he would, still doesn't mean it's going to. If Middleton's health is looking bad Giannis may ask out, and they could blow it up get in the Flagg sweepstakes, but they could also hit a pocket of ten games in the East, right the ship, and Middleton's healthy.
Like how they talked us into moving Towns, versus Naz for say a young guard, breaking up a team that was very good in the playoffs last year, they are working the market to help their boys again.
Btw if we had done that we would have had Black (who could be awesome defensively), Conley, NAW, Ant, McD, Slo-Mo, Gobert, Minott, Miller, and possibly Rob Dillingham and Shannon Jr. We reset the deck, and already Randle is starting to receive heat when we lose. In the who deserves to get paid contract watch Randle or Naz, it's interesting Randle bought a house, and quickly got his kids into a Minnesota school, seems to indicate he things he's staying. Also who makes more sense given Minott, and Miller on deck.
Still could use a back up center, beyond Garza, although he might be solid enough in second groups with defensive minded lineups around him. I will never understand why coming out of that Mav's series the takeaway for Wolves brass, and the official narrative wars was Wolves can't win with Kat, versus why aren't we just getting are guards downhill as playmakers more, implementing more high screening actions (especially given the two bigs we had), and more pin downs to get into flow. It's hard to not see that as another narrative wars loss for Minny.
During that Spurs game I was also thinking should we pluck Mitch Johnson? I would also be curious as to what a Micah Nori offense might look like? He seemed to be more of a fan of getting Ant downhill in space. The other thing is Ant is taking more catch and shoot three's, which is fine, especially early in the season, but then that generating is going elsewhere right? If Ant is driving less than say Donte, I assume Donte's three percentage would dip, no? Don't get me wrong, I'm sure he'll have a hot month or two here in the season, but Ant doesn't get to have Ant tee himself up, unless he's doing those iso step backs. Also true of Randle if he is a primary creator it likely would lead to a dip in his percentages as well, same with Rubes for example, Kyle (in those Kat and Naz minutes) however he is not the savant passer putting it right in the shot pocket, he's more like Haliburton where he barrels into defenders, and throws it behind him, which is what every one can do post FOM, and why traditional point guards really don't turn the ball over anymore.
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Post by darko on Nov 4, 2024 11:09:44 GMT -6
Overall I'd say all the games have been entertaining, I just still see a big, big load for Ant come playoff time, on top of d being problematic.
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