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Post by levine on Nov 14, 2018 22:35:54 GMT -6
No way I move Okogie to get rid of Diengs contract. Gorgui is a decent player and a solid backup C. I would be more concerned moving Teague and or Wiggins before I worry about Dieng. I probably wouldn't either, just seems like the only avenue unless we are dealing multiple 1sts. It wouldn't take much for Okogie to perform like a guy who should be making 8-10M in the next few years and if he's on a contract paying him $2M a year, that's what the roster needs more than anything. I'd settle for sending Taj to elsewhere if it brought back a wing player for a couple of years so that Okogie could develop at his own pace a little. The Bulls idea CC had would be nice if Valentine were healthy as he could serve as secondary playmaker for a bench unit and run PG in a pinch if we are beset by injuries. We just have 1 too many classic bigs right now for the rotation. We're not winning a title this year, so I'm not THAT worried about the balance. Provided we don't resign Taj next year, that's already is a huge help with the frontcourt logjam. Teague opting out would be awfully nice as well.
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Post by OmegaWolfFan on Nov 14, 2018 22:48:24 GMT -6
I probably wouldn't either, just seems like the only avenue unless we are dealing multiple 1sts. It wouldn't take much for Okogie to perform like a guy who should be making 8-10M in the next few years and if he's on a contract paying him $2M a year, that's what the roster needs more than anything. I'd settle for sending Taj to elsewhere if it brought back a wing player for a couple of years so that Okogie could develop at his own pace a little. The Bulls idea CC had would be nice if Valentine were healthy as he could serve as secondary playmaker for a bench unit and run PG in a pinch if we are beset by injuries. We just have 1 too many classic bigs right now for the rotation. We're not winning a title this year, so I'm not THAT worried about the balance. Provided we don't resign Taj next year, that's already is a huge help with the frontcourt logjam. Teague opting out would be awfully nice as well.
I would want Taj back at the right price. He is still a very solid big, and if anything, be a mentor.
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Post by levine on Nov 14, 2018 22:57:02 GMT -6
We're not winning a title this year, so I'm not THAT worried about the balance. Provided we don't resign Taj next year, that's already is a huge help with the frontcourt logjam. Teague opting out would be awfully nice as well.
I would want Taj back at the right price. He is still a very solid big, and if anything, be a mentor.
Not me. I'm not sure there is a place in the 2018 NBA for him. He'll make a handful of good plays each game, but the bad far outweighs the good. He's basically a back-up 5 at this point because he doesn't offer any of the stretch or playmaking of a modern PF. But as a back-up Center (or even PF), he's an awful defensive rebounder and doesn't protect the rim at all. And he absolutely kills our spacing by clogging up the paint. He was a great bench guy before the game changed, but its passed him by.
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Post by levine on Nov 15, 2018 0:29:14 GMT -6
Dane MooreDaneMooreNBA Tom Thibodeau on options with the load of bigs on the new Wolves roster: “Taj at the 5, that is something we’ll look at… It’s a good problem — it’s not an easy problem — but it’s a good problem to have." 8:00 PM - Nov 14, 2018
Dane Moore@DaneMooreNBA Thibodeau said, given the new roster, that the 2, 3 and 4 positions are "very interchangable now." 7:57 PM - Nov 14, 2018
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Post by levine on Nov 15, 2018 0:34:18 GMT -6
John Meyer@thedailywolf 2h2 hours ago Covington tells me he’s absolutely thrilled to be in Minneapolis and believes he’s going to fit in with this team perfectly.
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Post by The Country Club on Nov 15, 2018 3:48:51 GMT -6
This team needs one more smart glue guy and one less "need" guy.
You can tell when the glue guys are out there that the team plays smarter, works harder, passes better.
Given Wiggins ain't getting moved, Teague's my target.
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Post by The Country Club on Nov 15, 2018 4:29:13 GMT -6
BTW, this was the Wolves' 2nd best defensive effort in terms of drtg all season. Best was the Indiana game.
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Post by Bob Oppenheimer on Nov 15, 2018 6:24:10 GMT -6
It’s very depressing to think rose is coming back. Can we keep towns and all of these guys energy while rose dominates the ball?
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Post by drdeath on Nov 15, 2018 8:21:53 GMT -6
The crowd was small last night but it was loud and very much into the game. You could “feel” the relief that the sh!t show was finally over. And these guys are legit contributors if used and played properly.
Okogie is amazing and he is already a fan favorite. He kept the energy going when it appeared the team stalled. Nice finish to the game for Wigs. I’m hoping he’s less of a lost soul out there with JB gone.
I am also of the opinion we need a much better PG and distributor on the floor. I was hoping Tyus could be our guy but he’s having a rough go of it. Like Rubio, I’m not sure Thibs is running an offense that plays to our strengths and what this team needs. As has been stated here, it’s maddening we can’t effectively drop passes into the post.
Finally, I bought one of the Prince inspired Wolves gear jerseys. I was talking to the sales guy about how I thought it was a brilliant marketing strategy to sell more Wolves stuff. He told me they boxed and mailed out 16,000 Wolves Jerseys and related Wolves gear this week alone! They actually had to slow down filling the mail orders so they wouldn’t sell out. They need inventory on hand to sell tomorrow night when the the new unis are introduced.
All said, it was a high energy night and I think RoCo and Dario felt properly welcome. Here’s hoping it’s a start to attending fun games again.
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Post by Nick K on Nov 15, 2018 9:29:49 GMT -6
I know you don't like hockey rotations but other teams are doing it. Why not with a veteran 2nd unit? I don't think its done that often. 5 bench guys is most likely going to dig you a hole. Good coaches like to keep a few of their best players on the floor at all times. And I don't like that line-up. Tolliver can barely move his feet enough to defend PFs. Putting him at SF is just asking for trouble. And Tolliver is the only reliable 3 point shooter in the group. After thinking more about it, you're right on Tolliver and on rotations.
I was just thinking conceptually that with all the veteran players we have that they would be able to hold their own as a 2nd unit. It just seems other teams are playing their starters 33-34 minutes per and are going 10-11 deep.
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Post by boognish on Nov 15, 2018 9:34:11 GMT -6
The Bad Teague. I am sorry if I'm harsh on him, but he is one of the worse PG I've seen put on a wolves uniform in a looooong time. At this point I would take even Tyus over him. Dude brings the ball up, dribbles for 15 seconds, throws it to a teammate with the shot clock winding down for a terrible shot. F'n hell man it drives me nuts how stupid he is. If anything, move him to the bench and just let him play the Lou Williams role and I'll complain less. I like him and will take his double-digit scoring and assists any day. He's clearly a better player than Tyus. Thib's post up offense slows the offense down and forces the guards to sit in a holding pattern until the big establishes position, which they are often unable to do. Tyus literally had no stats last night, but fanboys are calling him the 2nd coming of Kyrie because the teammates around him played well. Homers...
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Post by firethibs on Nov 15, 2018 9:44:11 GMT -6
Trying to not too carried away with last nights game as the Wolves were hungry and the Pels looked absolutely lethargic on defense in the first half. It is nice to actually, completely want the wolves to win - They've been a hard team to root for the past few weeks. We really need to get Wiggins going. I'm really hoping with Covington & Saric out there the lane may open up a lot more for some Wiggins drives to the basket.
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Post by cory on Nov 15, 2018 9:47:23 GMT -6
Teague could be one of the biggest beneficiaries of this trade. He's going to get a lot of freedom to get into the defense as a primary creator and it will make much more sense if he has guys like Covington and Saric with him who can shoot and make the next pass off of his penetration. I love Covington who is either ready to shoot at a moments notice or knows where to go with the ball right away. Tolliver too.
Jimmy and D Rose both have felt like passing is an absolute last resort. Teague gets blinders on at times but he's more willing to make the smart pass and give it up. He's a quality guy to have until we find a real long term PG so it's not bad to keep him. But he does have a ceiling and is overpaid by about 5-9 million a year. He could be simiilar to what Lou Williams is for LA for us the rest of the year. I know he won't shoot it like Lou but he's a more unselfish player as well.
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Post by Nick K on Nov 15, 2018 10:10:47 GMT -6
What kills me about Teague is that he is so inconsistent. Most of the time 65% or so he's very good, solid. Then he turns into a mindless player. Of course I don't know what Thibs is telling him.
What happened to him in the 4th qtr last night? His inability to shoot? His losing track of the shot clock? Mind boggling.
Last nights best lineup was clearly Tyus, Okogie, Cov, Saric and Towns. They played great. Blew the game open really. Super fun to watch. Great ball movement. No one dominated. I don't recall Thibs going back to that exact group again??? I don't get that.
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Post by levine on Nov 15, 2018 10:17:08 GMT -6
The Bad Teague. I am sorry if I'm harsh on him, but he is one of the worse PG I've seen put on a wolves uniform in a looooong time. At this point I would take even Tyus over him. Dude brings the ball up, dribbles for 15 seconds, throws it to a teammate with the shot clock winding down for a terrible shot. F'n hell man it drives me nuts how stupid he is. If anything, move him to the bench and just let him play the Lou Williams role and I'll complain less. I like him and will take his double-digit scoring and assists any day. He's clearly a better player than Tyus. Thib's post up offense slows the offense down and forces the guards to sit in a holding pattern until the big establishes position, which they are often unable to do. Tyus literally had no stats last night, but fanboys are calling him the 2nd coming of Kyrie because the teammates around him played well. Homers... No one is calling him the second coming of Kyrie... No one. I'm glad you love boxscores. That's great for fantasy basketball. But our team played way better on both ends with Tyus in there compared to Teague again last night. Its almost like its a...team...game...
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Post by levine on Nov 15, 2018 10:19:53 GMT -6
I don't think its done that often. 5 bench guys is most likely going to dig you a hole. Good coaches like to keep a few of their best players on the floor at all times. And I don't like that line-up. Tolliver can barely move his feet enough to defend PFs. Putting him at SF is just asking for trouble. And Tolliver is the only reliable 3 point shooter in the group. After thinking more about it, you're right on Tolliver and on rotations.
I was just thinking conceptually that with all the veteran players we have that they would be able to hold their own as a 2nd unit. It just seems other teams are playing their starters 33-34 minutes per and are going 10-11 deep.
You can do that without hockey lineups. You don't need to play your starters 30+ minutes together. And most teams don't. Even with Butler and Teague injuries last year, our starters played over 300 more minutes together than any other 5 man group in the league (and over 600(!) more than the 3rd place line-up). Its ok to mix it up to keep some of your best players on the floor at all times without burning them out. Last night our best line-up had 3 bench players in it.
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Post by cory on Nov 15, 2018 10:49:49 GMT -6
After thinking more about it, you're right on Tolliver and on rotations.
I was just thinking conceptually that with all the veteran players we have that they would be able to hold their own as a 2nd unit. It just seems other teams are playing their starters 33-34 minutes per and are going 10-11 deep.
You can do that without hockey lineups. You don't need to play your starters 30+ minutes together. And most teams don't. Even with Butler and Teague injuries last year, our starters played over 300 more minutes together than any other 5 man group in the league (and over 600(!) more than the 3rd place line-up). Its ok to mix it up to keep some of your best players on the floor at all times without burning them out. Last night our best line-up had 3 bench players in it. It might not be fair to call Thibs lazy but he's not a creative coach and his schemes and rotations speak to that. It takes time and deliberate planning of when you will make subs and that's not who he is. The easiest path is to give someone the ball on offense and let them create, the easiest path with subbing is to get everyone off the court for a break and bring them back when you get frustrated. He subs more based on reaction than he does off of any logical game plan, especially in the 2nd half.
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Post by levine on Nov 15, 2018 11:05:35 GMT -6
RoCo is a funny guy:
Robert Covington on his 41 minutes: "It felt like we was out there for a little bit, but it didn't feel like necessarily the toll on my body feeling like playing 41 minutes."
"Felt like 39."
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Post by levine on Nov 15, 2018 11:09:05 GMT -6
My favorite Covington moment last night came in the first quarter.
He yelled something to Wiggins, and when Andrew didn't respond, he physically pushed him into position, just in time for Wiggins to cut off his man and force the pass.
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Post by salty on Nov 15, 2018 11:14:14 GMT -6
My favorite Covington moment last night came in the first quarter. He yelled something to Wiggins, and when Andrew didn't respond, he physically pushed him into position, just in time for Wiggins to cut off his man and force the pass. You could turn that around and go with "my least favorite Wiggins moment." It is amazing that Andrew still needs someone to do that for him.
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Post by Nick K on Nov 15, 2018 12:23:35 GMT -6
My favorite Covington moment last night came in the first quarter. He yelled something to Wiggins, and when Andrew didn't respond, he physically pushed him into position, just in time for Wiggins to cut off his man and force the pass. You could turn that around and go with "my least favorite Wiggins moment." It is amazing that Andrew still needs someone to do that for him. On that give and go play with Towns where he had the great dunk you could see the joy in his face. I've never seen the guy smile like that. He's always so contained. But for just a moment he was overjoyed for like 30 seconds. Let's hope he wants to feel like that again. The ESPN announcers commented on it and asked "why don't we see that all the time from Wiggins"?
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Post by stretcharmstrong on Nov 15, 2018 13:31:08 GMT -6
You could turn that around and go with "my least favorite Wiggins moment." It is amazing that Andrew still needs someone to do that for him. On that give and go play with Towns where he had the great dunk you could see the joy in his face. I've never seen the guy smile like that. He's always so contained. But for just a moment he was overjoyed for like 30 seconds. Let's hope he wants to feel like that again. The ESPN announcers commented on it and asked "why don't we see that all the time from Wiggins"?
I would call that coaching. You have to design plays and a system for that. And for those who saw nervousness or underperfomance in Saric and Covington's game, what you saw last night is what you will get, night in and out with both. That is how they both play on a consistent basis. So if you found issues, well that is the player we got in return.
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Post by The Country Club on Nov 15, 2018 14:01:21 GMT -6
My favorite Covington moment last night came in the first quarter. He yelled something to Wiggins, and when Andrew didn't respond, he physically pushed him into position, just in time for Wiggins to cut off his man and force the pass. You could turn that around and go with "my least favorite Wiggins moment." It is amazing that Andrew still needs someone to do that for him. It's nice to have someone on the court who will do that and help on defense. Been a while since we had that.
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Post by levine on Nov 15, 2018 14:09:55 GMT -6
You could turn that around and go with "my least favorite Wiggins moment." It is amazing that Andrew still needs someone to do that for him. It's nice to have someone on the court who will do that and help on defense. Been a while since we had that. Not since KG came back. And before that, probably not since we traded him away....
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Post by Bonecrusher on Nov 15, 2018 14:23:14 GMT -6
Got to see that last half and what fun it is to be a Wolves fan again. Covington is very solid. Saric as people mentioned looked like he didn't have it tonight. Most likely new coach and learning plays. Okogie is the real deal. And if anyone repeats Hanneman's Obi Wan Okogie they will get banned. Just kidding but he needs a better name not some stupid thing from Hanneman. KAT appeared to be re-vitalized. They still need to move every single former Bull including the coach. Dude, this is like the greatest nickname ever! IF you are like 10. lol. Hakeem (The Dream) Olajuwon is a great nickname.
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