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Post by Nick K on Nov 26, 2018 15:24:56 GMT -6
Draft time scouting report on Andrew Wiggins....
"Weaknesses: The biggest issue is whether or not Wiggins has the mental make up to maximize his immense physical gifts. While some scouts are extremely high on him, there are just as many that question his focus and passion for the game ... Often plays too upright on offense, which can get him off his base and lead to turnovers … Needs to work on moving without the ball, has a reputation of sometimes standing, ball watching … Defensive awareness is something he must work on, along with always running out to his spot and not relying completely on length, athleticism to challenge a player … Still needs to add upper body strength, had issues finishing around the basket and getting knocked off of his spot when defensive rebounding … Long range shot is still not overly consistent, sometimes turns his hand outward on follow through … Often loose with dribble, sometimes has the ball too high and gets exploited when double teamed … Some question his lack of assertiveness offensively, which calls into question his ability to be a primary option on a high level team … Battled inconsistency and struggled against physical defense, which could point to strength as well as a sign of shaky confidence … Should look to become a more vocal leader ... Too often settled for long range shots and did not venture out of his comfort zone enough, still has many things to learn in terms of creating mid range shots and counter moves …"
I guess that pretty much sums it up.
2014 nbadraft.net
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Post by levine on Nov 26, 2018 15:46:32 GMT -6
Draft time scouting report on Andrew Wiggins....
"Weaknesses: The biggest issue is whether or not Wiggins has the mental make up to maximize his immense physical gifts. While some scouts are extremely high on him, there are just as many that question his focus and passion for the game ... Often plays too upright on offense, which can get him off his base and lead to turnovers … Needs to work on moving without the ball, has a reputation of sometimes standing, ball watching … Defensive awareness is something he must work on, along with always running out to his spot and not relying completely on length, athleticism to challenge a player … Still needs to add upper body strength, had issues finishing around the basket and getting knocked off of his spot when defensive rebounding … Long range shot is still not overly consistent, sometimes turns his hand outward on follow through … Often loose with dribble, sometimes has the ball too high and gets exploited when double teamed … Some question his lack of assertiveness offensively, which calls into question his ability to be a primary option on a high level team … Battled inconsistency and struggled against physical defense, which could point to strength as well as a sign of shaky confidence … Should look to become a more vocal leader ... Too often settled for long range shots and did not venture out of his comfort zone enough, still has many things to learn in terms of creating mid range shots and counter moves …"
I guess that pretty much sums it up.
2014 nbadraft.net
I thought it was pretty obvious at the time that it was a "1 player draft" - and that guy had serious health concerns.
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Post by stretcharmstrong on Nov 26, 2018 17:11:35 GMT -6
Wiggins is averaging 15.5 pts, 3.8 rebounds, 2.3 assists @ a $25.5 million salary. Bogdan Bogdanovic has almost identical stats at $9 million per. Is signing him to this max contract going to go down as the worst decision in franchise history? No, you are forgetting the secret contract with Joe Smith that went south and then made public. That is the worst deal ever. Then they went and got him later after the team was already blacklisted in the draft due to it.
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Post by levine on Nov 26, 2018 17:25:02 GMT -6
Wiggins is averaging 15.5 pts, 3.8 rebounds, 2.3 assists @ a $25.5 million salary. Bogdan Bogdanovic has almost identical stats at $9 million per. Is signing him to this max contract going to go down as the worst decision in franchise history? No, you are forgetting the secret contract with Joe Smith that went south and then made public. That is the worst deal ever. Then they went and got him later after the team was already blacklisted in the draft due to it. I think Wiggins is more damaging. We lost 3 draft picks in the 20s (a dreadful place for McHale to draft anyways) with Smith. But the Wiggins contract is crippling.
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Post by cory on Nov 26, 2018 18:32:55 GMT -6
No, you are forgetting the secret contract with Joe Smith that went south and then made public. That is the worst deal ever. Then they went and got him later after the team was already blacklisted in the draft due to it. I think Wiggins is more damaging. We lost 3 draft picks in the 20s (a dreadful place for McHale to draft anyways) with Smith. But the Wiggins contract is crippling. Man. How depressing. I don't see any chance he is moved at this point. He can't have any value league wide or not enough for Taylor to ever say he would OK a deal for what the return could be. Dumping him for other bad contracts who are just functional players every night would be the best I can hope for but we won't realize it until he's worth even less than that. Wall at $37M looks like a value deal compared to Wiggins at $27M. Maybe he'll turn the locker room against itself so much that his value will be below Wiggins.
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Post by levine on Nov 26, 2018 20:36:40 GMT -6
Wiggins has been benched for the entire 4th quarter the past 2 games.
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Post by The Country Club on Nov 27, 2018 3:53:15 GMT -6
Wiggins is averaging 15.5 pts, 3.8 rebounds, 2.3 assists @ a $25.5 million salary. Bogdan Bogdanovic has almost identical stats at $9 million per. Is signing him to this max contract going to go down as the worst decision in franchise history? No, you are forgetting the secret contract with Joe Smith that went south and then made public. That is the worst deal ever. Then they went and got him later after the team was already blacklisted in the draft due to it. With a competent FO, losing three firsts would be bad but the Wolves screwed up so many drafts in the KG (er, just about every) era that I'm not sure it was *the* worst. But the common denominator in both? Taylor greenlighted them.
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Post by The Country Club on Nov 27, 2018 3:56:02 GMT -6
Wiggins now 42/125 (33.6%) shooting since the trade. 13.3 PPG.
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Post by boognish on Nov 27, 2018 8:17:02 GMT -6
Wiggins has been benched for the entire 4th quarter the past 2 games. Good. I hope Thibs will finally start giving the minutes to players who earn them.
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Post by The Country Club on Nov 29, 2018 4:19:46 GMT -6
Wiggins now 45/140 since the trade.
This isn't a regular ol' slump. It (IMO) screams mechanics or some type of injury impacting his shooting.
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Post by BIG BAD WOLF on Nov 29, 2018 7:50:38 GMT -6
Wiggins now 45/140 since the trade. This isn't a regular ol' slump. It (IMO) screams mechanics or some type of injury impacting his shooting. Are you saying he's pulling a Fultz on us? He might be working on his shooting mechanics to improve release speed. His release is fairly slow (eye test) for a guy of his athletic abilities. He almost looks uncomfortable shooting lately. If it is an injury, it might be plantar faasciitis that bothers him. The way he is struggling could be indicative of such nagging issue... If that is the case, he needs to take a couple weeks off and let it rest a little. Meanwhile JOko could establish himself as a viable contributor Thibs will be more inclined to give minutes to.
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Post by boognish on Nov 29, 2018 8:03:51 GMT -6
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Post by pagliatti on Nov 29, 2018 9:46:50 GMT -6
Wiggins now 45/140 since the trade. This isn't a regular ol' slump. It (IMO) screams mechanics or some type of injury impacting his shooting. His role has been changing a lot and there is also influence of what's happening around, which is kind of weird/unexpected in the good sense but should also provoke a moving parts effect- Rose/Okogie best case scenario and a fluency of other productive assets. He might be one of the guys who scores on more varied ways but it is just not needed atm and it affects his confidence. When you are able to put pressure as a threat all over the place but there seems to be a legion of guys producing offensively confidence will plummet. You are letting it fly questioning whether it was the right decision, whether the mate close to you would make that shot, whether you should be letting the game come to you with a max contract. Too much of an agenda for something expected to be natural and fluid. This could be good at the end because he might keep improving his overall game and when opportunity present itself just fester with multiple easy buckets. Teague, Rose, Gibson, KAT, RoCo and Saric seem to be able to score and other guys can step up too. Wiggins value should come from being an extremely durable 30+ mpg guy who is just solid all around. Good time to get up to par in a couple departments. Also, I admire his nonchalant attitude for fake stats, the guy is not going after a steal not matter what and will generally avoid easy D boards. For the time being there is not danger at all, Josh should build an NBA body- more gym, less games- and an NBA mind-more video, less games, zero videogames. While Thibs built KAT/Wiggins with a silver spoon (he kind of inherited them on those habits) he might bring tough love to a pick in the 20s. Not a bad thing per se, it worked in the past and you can ride Rose/Jeff in the meantime.
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Post by cory on Nov 29, 2018 10:20:28 GMT -6
Wiggins now 45/140 since the trade. This isn't a regular ol' slump. It (IMO) screams mechanics or some type of injury impacting his shooting. His role has been changing a lot and there is also influence of what's happening around, which is kind of weird/unexpected in the good sense but should also provoke a moving parts effect- Rose/Okogie best case scenario and a fluency of other productive assets. He might be one of the guys who scores on more varied ways but it is just not needed atm and it affects his confidence. When you are able to put pressure as a threat all over the place but there seems to be a legion of guys producing offensively confidence will plummet. You are letting it fly questioning whether it was the right decision, whether the mate close to you would make that shot, whether you should be letting the game come to you with a max contract. Too much of an agenda for something expected to be natural and fluid. This could be good at the end because he might keep improving his overall game and when opportunity present itself just fester with multiple easy buckets. Teague, Rose, Gibson, KAT, RoCo and Saric seem to be able to score and other guys can step up too. Wiggins value should come from being an extremely durable 30+ mpg guy who is just solid all around. Good time to get up to par in a couple departments. Also, I admire his nonchalant attitude for fake stats, the guy is not going after a steal not matter what and will generally avoid easy D boards. For the time being there is not danger at all, Josh should build an NBA body- more gym, less games- and an NBA mind-more video, less games, zero videogames. While Thibs built KAT/Wiggins with a silver spoon (he kind of inherited them on those habits) he might bring tough love to a pick in the 20s. Not a bad thing per se, it worked in the past and you can ride Rose/Jeff in the meantime. There's a fine line between being a smart defender who doesn't gamble or chase stats and being lazy. It's possible Andrew is becoming more of the first version but he absolutely has drifted in and out of being lazy a lot and he has been too passive overall. Effort is a habit as much as it is a skill. He needs to bring more intensity and focus consistently before I'd call him a smart defender rather than lazy or passive. I think it's weird to compliment Wiggins for his passiveness and say Okogie needs to start from the ground up entirely. He needs work on fundamentals but his effort and hustle are high end NBA traits that are not common and should have him in the lineup, especially for a team lacking legit wing depth. His defensive skills are as good as Marcus Smart's and he has more potential offensively.
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Post by levine on Nov 29, 2018 11:16:00 GMT -6
Wiggins now 45/140 since the trade. This isn't a regular ol' slump. It (IMO) screams mechanics or some type of injury impacting his shooting. His role has been changing a lot and there is also influence of what's happening around, which is kind of weird/unexpected in the good sense but should also provoke a moving parts effect- Rose/Okogie best case scenario and a fluency of other productive assets. He might be one of the guys who scores on more varied ways but it is just not needed atm and it affects his confidence. When you are able to put pressure as a threat all over the place but there seems to be a legion of guys producing offensively confidence will plummet. You are letting it fly questioning whether it was the right decision, whether the mate close to you would make that shot, whether you should be letting the game come to you with a max contract. Too much of an agenda for something expected to be natural and fluid. This could be good at the end because he might keep improving his overall game and when opportunity present itself just fester with multiple easy buckets. Teague, Rose, Gibson, KAT, RoCo and Saric seem to be able to score and other guys can step up too. Wiggins value should come from being an extremely durable 30+ mpg guy who is just solid all around. Good time to get up to par in a couple departments. Also, I admire his nonchalant attitude for fake stats, the guy is not going after a steal not matter what and will generally avoid easy D boards. For the time being there is not danger at all, Josh should build an NBA body- more gym, less games- and an NBA mind-more video, less games, zero videogames. While Thibs built KAT/Wiggins with a silver spoon (he kind of inherited them on those habits) he might bring tough love to a pick in the 20s. Not a bad thing per se, it worked in the past and you can ride Rose/Jeff in the meantime. But Wiggins is NOT a "solid all around" player. Have you actually watched Okogie? This is just such an odd take all around...
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Post by pagliatti on Nov 29, 2018 12:04:14 GMT -6
His role has been changing a lot and there is also influence of what's happening around, which is kind of weird/unexpected in the good sense but should also provoke a moving parts effect- Rose/Okogie best case scenario and a fluency of other productive assets. He might be one of the guys who scores on more varied ways but it is just not needed atm and it affects his confidence. When you are able to put pressure as a threat all over the place but there seems to be a legion of guys producing offensively confidence will plummet. You are letting it fly questioning whether it was the right decision, whether the mate close to you would make that shot, whether you should be letting the game come to you with a max contract. Too much of an agenda for something expected to be natural and fluid. This could be good at the end because he might keep improving his overall game and when opportunity present itself just fester with multiple easy buckets. Teague, Rose, Gibson, KAT, RoCo and Saric seem to be able to score and other guys can step up too. Wiggins value should come from being an extremely durable 30+ mpg guy who is just solid all around. Good time to get up to par in a couple departments. Also, I admire his nonchalant attitude for fake stats, the guy is not going after a steal not matter what and will generally avoid easy D boards. For the time being there is not danger at all, Josh should build an NBA body- more gym, less games- and an NBA mind-more video, less games, zero videogames. While Thibs built KAT/Wiggins with a silver spoon (he kind of inherited them on those habits) he might bring tough love to a pick in the 20s. Not a bad thing per se, it worked in the past and you can ride Rose/Jeff in the meantime. But Wiggins is NOT a "solid all around" player. Have you actually watched Okogie? This is just such an odd take all around... "Should come from" means that he has a real shot to be an above average sized SG who is not an easy post up and is still quick enough for the slot while not being cringeworthy as a catch and shoot option. That's his floor. Okogie can take advantage from the sidelines too. Getting sooner to an NBA ready body and having the time to absorb the fundamentals instead of being thrown into the battle immediately has value. Teams rarely can afford to bring talent along slowly but it is the correct call. He might rock the dumbbells and also has the luxury not to play with extreme urgency developing bad habits. In Europe is not unheard of to let kids develop well into their roles unless they are really special. Sink or swim tends to be interesting in the NBA because time of controlled contracts matter. But Thibs taking time with a rookie is not such a bizarre feature. They can use Okogie but they don't need him that badly right now while his time doing off the court stuff might only help. Trimming Wiggins role or cutting into surging Rose role is, well, playing with fire. I don't know if it is a Sota thingie but it is always prevalent the hype with individual talents. Coaches usually want to fit players as pieces of the puzzle and not need to recur to heroes, let alone have hype infect their rookies after a couple dozens nice plays. Let them grow, find a niche and work from there. 20 mpg of real action can really cut into time for other development such as shooting form, off the ball sets or ballhandling skills. A part of Lavine and Wiggins weird feel for the game is related to receive the steering wheel as soon as they walked through the door. No time to polish anything, responsibility without study from day one. And a very weird approach to production, volume, volume, volume. The NBA is going the other way, prevalence of the correct play. Okogie has tools and brings a spark but he has a long way to go to develop into making the correct play on slow pace sets for example. Learning while performing is tough.
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Post by levine on Nov 29, 2018 12:09:01 GMT -6
I surrender. I just don't see basketball like you do at all.
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Post by Bonecrusher on Nov 29, 2018 16:13:14 GMT -6
But Wiggins is NOT a "solid all around" player. Have you actually watched Okogie? This is just such an odd take all around... "Should come from" means that he has a real shot to be an above average sized SG who is not an easy post up and is still quick enough for the slot while not being cringeworthy as a catch and shoot option. That's his floor. Okogie can take advantage from the sidelines too. Getting sooner to an NBA ready body and having the time to absorb the fundamentals instead of being thrown into the battle immediately has value. Teams rarely can afford to bring talent along slowly but it is the correct call. He might rock the dumbbells and also has the luxury not to play with extreme urgency developing bad habits. In Europe is not unheard of to let kids develop well into their roles unless they are really special. Sink or swim tends to be interesting in the NBA because time of controlled contracts matter. But Thibs taking time with a rookie is not such a bizarre feature. They can use Okogie but they don't need him that badly right now while his time doing off the court stuff might only help. Trimming Wiggins role or cutting into surging Rose role is, well, playing with fire. I don't know if it is a Sota thingie but it is always prevalent the hype with individual talents. Coaches usually want to fit players as pieces of the puzzle and not need to recur to heroes, let alone have hype infect their rookies after a couple dozens nice plays. Let them grow, find a niche and work from there. 20 mpg of real action can really cut into time for other development such as shooting form, off the ball sets or ballhandling skills. A part of Lavine and Wiggins weird feel for the game is related to receive the steering wheel as soon as they walked through the door. No time to polish anything, responsibility without study from day one. And a very weird approach to production, volume, volume, volume. The NBA is going the other way, prevalence of the correct play. Okogie has tools and brings a spark but he has a long way to go to develop into making the correct play on slow pace sets for example. Learning while performing is tough. Not sure what you are trying to say but Okogie was drafted in the teens and when he was playing he was playing like a superstar (to me). Solid defense, nice shooting and he just gets it. Covington is yelling at players during the game telling them where to be and what to do on defense. COVINGTON HAS BEEN HERE FOR LESS THAN A MONTH. Okogie gets it. Wiggins is Wiggins. I haven't seen much effort and if he really applied himself he could be a very good player but he doesn't.
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Post by tjstyles on Nov 30, 2018 7:55:31 GMT -6
But Wiggins is NOT a "solid all around" player. Have you actually watched Okogie? This is just such an odd take all around... "Should come from" means that he has a real shot to be an above average sized SG who is not an easy post up and is still quick enough for the slot while not being cringeworthy as a catch and shoot option. That's his floor. Okogie can take advantage from the sidelines too. Getting sooner to an NBA ready body and having the time to absorb the fundamentals instead of being thrown into the battle immediately has value. Teams rarely can afford to bring talent along slowly but it is the correct call. He might rock the dumbbells and also has the luxury not to play with extreme urgency developing bad habits. In Europe is not unheard of to let kids develop well into their roles unless they are really special. Sink or swim tends to be interesting in the NBA because time of controlled contracts matter. But Thibs taking time with a rookie is not such a bizarre feature. They can use Okogie but they don't need him that badly right now while his time doing off the court stuff might only help. Trimming Wiggins role or cutting into surging Rose role is, well, playing with fire. I don't know if it is a Sota thingie but it is always prevalent the hype with individual talents. Coaches usually want to fit players as pieces of the puzzle and not need to recur to heroes, let alone have hype infect their rookies after a couple dozens nice plays. Let them grow, find a niche and work from there. 20 mpg of real action can really cut into time for other development such as shooting form, off the ball sets or ballhandling skills. A part of Lavine and Wiggins weird feel for the game is related to receive the steering wheel as soon as they walked through the door. No time to polish anything, responsibility without study from day one. And a very weird approach to production, volume, volume, volume. The NBA is going the other way, prevalence of the correct play. Okogie has tools and brings a spark but he has a long way to go to develop into making the correct play on slow pace sets for example. Learning while performing is tough. You and I have very, very different views on development. I am with levine in a lot of these topics. LeBron James "received the steering wheel" as soon as he walked in the door, and it's hard to argue that hampered his development in any way. Some people have it; some people don't. Some people who don't can take the time to earn it; some people can't. Am I saying that every player is better off being inserted into games the moment they get signed? No. But, I am absolutely not saying that every player who doesn't live up to expectations would have been better off watching and learning their first year or two. I do not feel like LaVine or Wiggins are in that category. They both have different styles because of their lack of awareness around them. You don't learn that from a clipboard. You learn that more from game reps. But, neither of them are actually learning from those reps. That is a limitation on them, not the system. This is probably going to sound "elitist", but when was the last time a player from Euro ball came to the NBA and started dominating everyone? It's like Air Mexico telling NASA how they should do something. Like, let's talk when you land on the moon. I get the basic concept of your point, that time on the sidelines lets you develop other aspects of yourself. And, in some cases that is potentially true. There are players that would benefit from hitting the weights. And there are players that would benefit from watching more film. But, the number 1 best way to get better at doing something is to do it. When I started playing ball again a few years back, I kept getting winded after a few minutes of high intensity play because I was out of shape. I decided to start running every morning. I did this for about 6 weeks. I was still getting winded every game. It took a little while longer, but even running as much as I was did not prepare me for the completely different physical exertions of a basketball game. Finally, I found 2 more places to play ball every week, and within two weeks of playing 3 games a week (and no running on the side), I stopped getting winded entirely. If a player is not strong enough to box people out on the court, the best way to get that strength is not by hitting the weight room; it's by boxing out people on the court. Yes, there are "projects" in the NBA. But, I don't think Wiggins or LaVine were victims of being given too much too fast. I think Wiggins and LaVine are victims of reaching their ceilings before they were overly good. Now, I am a believer in the "Growth Mindset", so I do feel that they both have the ability to continue to grow and get better, I just don't think they plateaued because they were getting playing time vs. sitting on the bench lifting dumbbells and watching film. I think they plateaued in Wiggins' case because he feels he is already a superstar, and in LaVine's case because he does not know how to develop the skills he doesn't have.
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Post by cory on Nov 30, 2018 8:38:44 GMT -6
This is probably going to sound "elitist", but when was the last time a player from Euro ball came to the NBA and started dominating everyone? It's like Air Mexico telling NASA how they should do something. Like, let's talk when you land on the moon. I get the basic concept of your point, that time on the sidelines lets you develop other aspects of yourself. And, in some cases that is potentially true. There are players that would benefit from hitting the weights. And there are players that would benefit from watching more film. But, the number 1 best way to get better at doing something is to do it. When I started playing ball again a few years back, I kept getting winded after a few minutes of high intensity play because I was out of shape. I decided to start running every morning. I did this for about 6 weeks. I was still getting winded every game. It took a little while longer, but even running as much as I was did not prepare me for the completely different physical exertions of a basketball game. Finally, I found 2 more places to play ball every week, and within two weeks of playing 3 games a week (and no running on the side), I stopped getting winded entirely. If a player is not strong enough to box people out on the court, the best way to get that strength is not by hitting the weight room; it's by boxing out people on the court. It is rare and I can't think of many historical examples but Luka is dominating as a 19 year old rookie right now. He may have the best rookie season since Lebron when this year wraps up.
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Post by Nick K on Nov 30, 2018 9:06:57 GMT -6
Wiggins now 45/140 since the trade. This isn't a regular ol' slump. It (IMO) screams mechanics or some type of injury impacting his shooting. Talk about somebody that needs a shooting coach. Maybe check his eyesight?! Don't laugh. Something is really amiss.
He seems to make more "catch and shoot" shots. Once he puts the ball on the floor for a few steps, it's a miss.
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Post by tjstyles on Nov 30, 2018 9:31:52 GMT -6
It is rare and I can't think of many historical examples but Luka is dominating as a 19 year old rookie right now. He may have the best rookie season since Lebron when this year wraps up. I know I didn't qualify my original comment, so Luka is technically an example of what I asked for, but the context was about Euro Teams developing players on the bench for a few years before tossing them into the fray. At 19, Luka is the same age as the NBA players we're talking about. Wiggins was 19 when he came into the NBA and we gave him 36 minutes per game. LaVine was 19 and got 24 minutes per game. Luka is 19 and is getting 33 minutes per game. To me, it's the same thing. Luka played about 3900 minutes professionally before coming to the NBA. That is more than 3 times Wiggins' college minutes and more than 4 times LaVine's college minutes. I would argue that a big reason Doncic is doing the job he is doing is because of the minutes he has played against professional level competition, not because he spent his time in the Euro league lifting weights and watching film. So yeah, I asked my question poorly, but Luka is actually a pretty good example of the point I am trying to make. Luka's last season in the EuroLeague, he was averaging 25.9 minutes to LaVine's 24.7 in his rookie season. At one year younger, in the EuroLeague where they "ease players in", Luka averaged more minutes per game than LaVine did at one year older than him in the NBA where they just toss you in the deep end and see if you can swim. And Luka is a stud and LaVine is simply a rotation player.
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Post by The Country Club on Nov 30, 2018 10:02:45 GMT -6
...and Luka played 20 minutes a game two seasons ago. It's not like he hasn't been a significant contributor in Europe prior. And he played for arguably one of the bigger spotlight clubs in Euro hoops. It's not like he's a "rookie" in the classic sense that we're accustomed to in the NBA. FWIW, here are the best age 19 and 20 ROOKIE seasons. 'Bron is the only age 19 rookie to break 3 on VORP. Luka, at this rate, probably gets to the low 2's by year end which would put him in the KG/Kyrie/Unibrow territory for age 19 rookies. bkref.com/tiny/UntmN
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Post by tjstyles on Nov 30, 2018 12:47:19 GMT -6
...and Luka played 20 minutes a game two seasons ago. It's not like he hasn't been a significant contributor in Europe prior. And he played for arguably one of the bigger spotlight clubs in Euro hoops. It's not like he's a "rookie" in the classic sense that we're accustomed to in the NBA. FWIW, here are the best age 19 and 20 ROOKIE seasons. 'Bron is the only age 19 rookie to break 3 on VORP. Luka, at this rate, probably gets to the low 2's by year end which would put him in the KG/Kyrie/Unibrow territory for age 19 rookies. bkref.com/tiny/UntmNI am not sure what we are discussing here. Is your argument that Luka spent significant time in Europe not playing and developing outside of basketball? If not, we aren't discussing the same thing. My point: best way to get better at basketball is playing basketball. I don't feel Luka is a counter to that point. (I do realize that my poor working in the earlier post is what caused this to derail from the original context. I am just trying to get us back to the actual point I was attempting to make.)
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Post by The Country Club on Nov 30, 2018 13:21:23 GMT -6
Not at all. He's been a significant contributor for a while in Europe and in the spotlight. I was backing you up.
Luka's a very good player but he's not a rookie in the sense of 1st year pro, which seems like is your point.
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