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Post by darko on Sept 21, 2023 10:26:51 GMT -6
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Post by kingsxman on Sept 21, 2023 12:29:39 GMT -6
This....is the issue in a nutshell. I dont believe we'll see the best Ant until he's given the keys. And the keys either have to come from Towns....or preferably Finchy. Towns is Robin. Robin saves the day also and is important. But Towns has had 7 years? to wear the Batman mask....and he either doesnt see the bat signal all the time or is so bad at directions he cant find the crime scene. But he's no Batman....even though he's talented enough to be Superman. The point you miss my friend is Ant already has the keys. Towns too. This Batman Robin thing is a fantasy. Garnett was right. Listen to what he said about he and Pierce. Each were equal but had qualities that the other did not. Those guys were 1a and 1a(2). Separate but equal.
Who came up with this public mantle of being the best player? And if that's even important to either one. I've never heard Towns complain about that. He knows Ant is a great player and he wants him to get even better. But Kat knows he's a great player too. Nothing wrong with that.
Just like KG and PP. They didn't care about any of that crap. They were all about winning. Kat and Ant are all about winning too.
I think that writers make this stuff up just to have something to write about. Just like us trading Kat. Unless we got overwhelming value that wasn't going to happen. It sure got a lot of clicks though. Just what they wanted.
There is a new Jonny K podcast where he's talking to GM Tim Connelly. At one point, and I forget how it was exactly framed or brought up, Connelly starts talking about how this year is different in how they are working with the players. He specifically mentioned KAT and talked about that individual stats dont matter. That we are at a point where you are judged on how you do as a team. When I heard that it stood out like a sore thumb to me. Maybe I'm just hearing things....but just the fact that Connelly put "KAT" and the "need to start judging yourself by how much you win" spoke volumes to me about what may be going on around there. Look....I like KAT. And I agree that the Wolves are going to be the best if KAT and ANT both play off each other and both support each other. But I really dont think KAT has anything close to KG's "winning is all that matters" mentality. here's the podcast. The intersting Karl comments start at the 12:00 minute mark. But if you start at 8:00 or around there he starts talking about more specific stuff for the team and not the "fluff". talknorth.com/krawczynski/
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Post by langcow on Sept 21, 2023 17:10:35 GMT -6
Paul Pierce looks stoned 😄
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Post by wunderwolf on Sept 21, 2023 17:31:17 GMT -6
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Post by Nick K on Sept 21, 2023 19:11:08 GMT -6
The point you miss my friend is Ant already has the keys. Towns too. This Batman Robin thing is a fantasy. Garnett was right. Listen to what he said about he and Pierce. Each were equal but had qualities that the other did not. Those guys were 1a and 1a(2). Separate but equal.
Who came up with this public mantle of being the best player? And if that's even important to either one. I've never heard Towns complain about that. He knows Ant is a great player and he wants him to get even better. But Kat knows he's a great player too. Nothing wrong with that.
Just like KG and PP. They didn't care about any of that crap. They were all about winning. Kat and Ant are all about winning too.
I think that writers make this stuff up just to have something to write about. Just like us trading Kat. Unless we got overwhelming value that wasn't going to happen. It sure got a lot of clicks though. Just what they wanted.
There is a new Jonny K podcast where he's talking to GM Tim Connelly. At one point, and I forget how it was exactly framed or brought up, Connelly starts talking about how this year is different in how they are working with the players. He specifically mentioned KAT and talked about that individual stats dont matter. That we are at a point where you are judged on how you do as a team. When I heard that it stood out like a sore thumb to me. Maybe I'm just hearing things....but just the fact that Connelly put "KAT" and the "need to start judging yourself by how much you win" spoke volumes to me about what may be going on around there. Look....I like KAT. And I agree that the Wolves are going to be the best if KAT and ANT both play off each other and both support each other. But I really dont think KAT has anything close to KG's "winning is all that matters" mentality. here's the podcast. The intersting Karl comments start at the 12:00 minute mark. But if you start at 8:00 or around there he starts talking about more specific stuff for the team and not the "fluff". talknorth.com/krawczynski/Thanks kingsxman. I haven't had time to listen to it so I don't know the context of Connely's comment. My guess is he made those comments in general terms only. But I can see why you think as you do. Maybe you're right. I could be wrong.
There seems to be a lot of anti-Kat hate going around out there. Maybe he just rubs people the wrong way. He takes it as disrespect and lashes out with what come across as how great he is. People don't like that...hence. The people who know Kat have nothing but great things to say about him. Also he has a big ego. I get that and have no problem with it. Great players usually have great ego's. Ant is a rare exception in at least how he shows it. He just comes right out and says he's going to be the best! :) None of that stuff rubs me the wrong way. But it does for others. I really don't have time for trivial stuff like that.
It seems to me Kat always has tried to be a team player. Often to his personal detriment. I think both Ant and Kat weren't happy with the team trying to make Rudy an offensive juggernaut while he can't even catch a bounce pass.
The team will be at it's best with both Kat and Ant playing their best and scoring while the other guys fill in and do their thing. Everybody has a role to play. Let's have each player do what they do best and accentuate it.
I'll try to find time to listen to the Connely comments.
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Post by Nick K on Sept 21, 2023 19:13:33 GMT -6
Paul Pierce looks stoned 😄 I was thinking that too. That must have been some "good chit man"!
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Post by Nick K on Sept 21, 2023 20:28:44 GMT -6
From Jonny K's Athletic article...
I can't tell you how happy I am to read this.
"In Year 2 of Towns and Rudy Gobert paired in the frontcourt.
We don’t have too much video, but we have enough video to understand where we were wrong and where we were right and kind of drill down on those things that were working and say maybe we were wrong with this is how things potentially could work. So I just think collectively, knowing all the actors is going to make things a whole lot easier.
On Gobert’s adjustment from Utah to Minnesota.
I think at times we kind of don’t appreciate how impactful it can be to make a big move. And the first one. So I think Rudy was very good last year by NBA standards. I thought by his standards, I don’t think he played up to his standards. I think he’d be the first to tell you. He was coming off a brutal European championship where I think he played until maybe eight days before the season. Nobody works harder than Rudy. Nobody pays more attention and detail to every single aspect of his game, his body, his mental approach. And he’s super, super excited to have a more comfortable season both on and off the court. -------------------------
They still have a lot to prove to me. Can they beat the teams they should beat? We sure look good on paper though.
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Post by kingsxman on Sept 21, 2023 20:39:25 GMT -6
From Jonny K's Athletic article... I can't tell you how happy I am to read this. "In Year 2 of Towns and Rudy Gobert paired in the frontcourt. We don’t have too much video, but we have enough video to understand where we were wrong and where we were right and kind of drill down on those things that were working and say maybe we were wrong with this is how things potentially could work. So I just think collectively, knowing all the actors is going to make things a whole lot easier. On Gobert’s adjustment from Utah to Minnesota. I think at times we kind of don’t appreciate how impactful it can be to make a big move. And the first one. So I think Rudy was very good last year by NBA standards. I thought by his standards, I don’t think he played up to his standards. I think he’d be the first to tell you. He was coming off a brutal European championship where I think he played until maybe eight days before the season. Nobody works harder than Rudy. Nobody pays more attention and detail to every single aspect of his game, his body, his mental approach. And he’s super, super excited to have a more comfortable season both on and off the court. ------------------------- They still have a lot to prove to me. Can they beat the teams they should beat? We sure look good on paper though. FYI...this is taken directly from the podcast.
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Post by levine on Sept 21, 2023 20:58:47 GMT -6
Paul Pierce looks stoned 😄 He usually is. My wife used to frequently play in a home game with him and he was always stoned.
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Post by XRaySpecs on Sept 22, 2023 7:31:59 GMT -6
Sounds like Rudy is going to spend more time in the dunker spot. I can't say I disagree. Rudy in the dunker spot could help a lot if our guys learn how to utilize that particular kind of spacing. I could see high pick and pop with Ant/Conley with KAT and then having Rudy lurking in the dunker slot for when there's a driving lane (if Ant can learn to throw the lob). If the action generates a 3, Rudy should be in better position for offensive rebounds as opposed to when he's setting screens out near the 3 pt line.
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Post by Nick K on Sept 22, 2023 9:28:29 GMT -6
Sounds like Rudy is going to spend more time in the dunker spot. I can't say I disagree. Rudy in the dunker spot could help a lot if our guys learn how to utilize that particular kind of spacing. I could see high pick and pop with Ant/Conley with KAT and then having Rudy lurking in the dunker slot for when there's a driving lane (if Ant can learn to throw the lob). If the action generates a 3, Rudy should be in better position for offensive rebounds as opposed to when he's setting screens out near the 3 pt line. Rudy in the dunker spot is just perfect.
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Post by darko on Sept 22, 2023 12:41:37 GMT -6
Eggplant emoji!
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Post by levine on Sept 22, 2023 13:51:50 GMT -6
So much better than the Sailor Suits...
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Post by Nick K on Sept 22, 2023 14:20:08 GMT -6
I like those. I don't see ol'shep though. That part is good.
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Post by levine on Sept 22, 2023 16:07:08 GMT -6
I like those. I don't see ol'shep though. That part is good.
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Post by kingsxman on Sept 22, 2023 16:39:17 GMT -6
Like the colors and style.
Old Shep will always grate me. The "smiling husky". I swear people have short memories. They couldnt wait to get rid of the "smiling husky" when we had him.
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Post by levine on Sept 22, 2023 17:15:37 GMT -6
Like the colors and style. Old Shep will always grate me. The "smiling husky". I swear people have short memories. They couldnt wait to get rid of the "smiling husky" when we had him. Not me. I've always loved that logo. The one I hated was the "two-face" one that replaced him. That one screamed "designed by a 50 year-old man trying desperately to be cool and edgy". The current one is...unoffensive?
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Post by darko on Sept 22, 2023 21:10:46 GMT -6
The late 90's/aughts had some wild stuff, very cartoon-y, but I dig that that one, liked the second one (with the white) better.
Grizzlies uni's were peak, but I imagine none of those appeal to anyone who didn't grow up with those logos at the time. Rockets, Suns jersey's were terrible, though the Orange and Gray were so unique I liked better than the purple and white.
Hawks had some crazy ones.
Wolves should just go back to these as their base, and quit f-ing around with all these whack ones. They are going to move some merch this season, especially since they're in the mix.
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Post by darko on Sept 22, 2023 21:11:39 GMT -6
I saw Edmond Sumner on a free agent list on hoopshype, guessing he's looking for a little more than we could give both in $ and pt?
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Post by Nick K on Sept 23, 2023 13:23:07 GMT -6
I like those. I don't see ol'shep though. That part is good. OMG! There he is. I had hoped we were long past him. Just too friendly looking for me. No bite in him. Reminds me of bad times. Thanks for putting it up anyway David.
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Post by kingsxman on Sept 23, 2023 13:57:10 GMT -6
Like the colors and style. Old Shep will always grate me. The "smiling husky". I swear people have short memories. They couldnt wait to get rid of the "smiling husky" when we had him. Not me. I've always loved that logo. The one I hated was the "two-face" one that replaced him. That one screamed "designed by a 50 year-old man trying desperately to be cool and edgy". The current one is...unoffensive? I know some people did. I liked it at first but as Nick says farther down from your comment.....it had no bite. It wasnt mean. The teams logo shouldnt look like something you'd find in a kids petting zoo. I tired of the 2nd one also but at least it showed a little fierceness. . I actually dont mind the current one but it also could use a little teeth. But at least its got the wolf doing something: howling.
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Post by levine on Sept 23, 2023 16:52:50 GMT -6
Sports teams logos really aren’t supposed to be “mean”. It seems like when teams try that kind of update, they rarely last long.
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Post by cory on Sept 25, 2023 8:13:59 GMT -6
Love the old shep look and color scheme. Deep blue and green is one of my favorite combos when they're the right mix. This has a Hartford Whalers like feel which is one of my favorite looks of all time.
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Post by cory on Sept 25, 2023 12:26:37 GMT -6
This is just not understanding the humans in this situation. KG was one of the most selfless superstars of all time and his game reflected that through his numbers and mostly through his defensive effort and intensity every single game. KAT is honestly a 180 degree personality from KG from everything I have seen from him. He'll sure give you a great quote to make himself sound humble and a team player though. It just isn't backed up by his actual play or the bulk of other quotes for him desperately pleading to be recognized as the greatest shooter of all time or one of the all time greats who will change the game. He's on another planet than KG was honestly in terms of what they value and want people to see from them. KG didn't give a f--- about anything besides winning. Watch the John Thompson interview. That's not KAT. I think you are reading way too much into this Cory. Plus your real dislike of Towns colors your view. I agree with your KG take for sure. But could it possibly be that you misunderstand where Towns is coming from when he makes those comments? Or the context of which given?
BTW, His career numbers pts, rebs, shooting %, are among the best to ever play for his position. If he feels he's being disrespected no wonder he speaks out.
No. I completely understand his comments. I've watched his entire career as well. I remember how crazy his comments were after winning the 3 Point competition where it was like he christened himself a great or how he called a winning shot, not even buzzer beater, just winning shot against Atlanta was a movie story outcome for him. His comment about Minnesota's performance against Denver being more impressive than Denver actually winning the title may be the greatest sign ever that what KAT cares about most is what people think about KAT. KAT's a well meaning enough person and I don't think he means harm. But it's pretty clear to me his development focused on me first outcomes as a kid. John Calipari said this about him during his freshman year. When someone is developed in a way during their youth and adolescent years where the focus is on me first output, that's just not going to change when he gets to the NBA. And this is evident in his actual basketball skills as well. He is largely lost in defensive schemes or he has such an outgrown belief of his own abilities that he gets himself, and ultimately his team into huge trouble (fouls, out of position, thinking he can wall up a guy on the perimeter and getting blown by). His passing is just OK. He has no idea how to set an efective screen. Does he want to win? Yes. But his ultimate focus as a person is how is he going to be looked at. It's not even a knock. It's just a reality of who he is as a person.
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Post by levine on Sept 25, 2023 12:38:11 GMT -6
I have to agree with Cory. KAT is a terrific player and I do think he cares a lot about winning. But I think even that is ultimately about his legacy and how he wants to be remembered.
KAT's entire life is very calculated. From his interviews to his choice of girlfriend to his social media accounts. He's the polar opposite of Ant - who is unfiltered to a fault. And when Ant talks about working to be the best, he backs it up by getting better every year and hyper focusing on his weaknesses.
And if he is "sacrificing his game" (which I don't buy), its to further the narrative and it'll eventually be spun as a heroic gesture and prof that he's a team player.
Its interesting that Calipari is the one guy who is always willing to call out KAT publicly - but his comments come from a place of love, and his knowledge that KAT is capable of so much more. But I think at this point, they mostly fall on deaf ears.
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