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Post by levine on Dec 7, 2023 1:00:10 GMT -6
Now look at who Portland had available.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2023 9:44:31 GMT -6
In regards to Bulls trade options. Because the media is tampering here, if I’m Bulls I just play out the year. No deals that would aid playoff teams.
I just say, we’re just going to try to win as many games as possible with the group we have.
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The bigger problem for the Bulls is the marketplace. Not only does there appear to be minimal interest from rival teams, but they all know the Bulls are looking to part ways with LaVine. Overcoming that obstacle in negotiations could be Chicago’s biggest challenge. – via The Athletic Staff, Darnell Mayberry, Darnell Mayberry and The Athletic Staff @ The Athletic
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Post by tmill720 on Dec 7, 2023 9:50:25 GMT -6
In regards to Bulls trade options. Because the media is tampering here, if I’m Bulls I just play out the year. No deals that would aid playoff teams. I just say, we’re just going to try to win as many games as possible with the group we have. ***** The bigger problem for the Bulls is the marketplace. Not only does there appear to be minimal interest from rival teams, but they all know the Bulls are looking to part ways with LaVine. Overcoming that obstacle in negotiations could be Chicago’s biggest challenge. – via The Athletic Staff, Darnell Mayberry, Darnell Mayberry and The Athletic Staff @ The Athletic Just curious, are people/pundits not supposed to have opinions on these types of things? Or reporters not report what they're hearing? If they hear from 4 GMs that say they're not interested, but they talk to the Bulls GM who says there is a huge market for him, what are the media members supposed to do? Just say nothing because they can't corroborate the story? Should we all just twiddle our thumbs and not talk about sports at all until things happen? As shown in this board, the biggest discussion is always about what might happen, not what has already happened.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2023 11:46:08 GMT -6
If a reporter talks to four gm’s, that reporter should know when he reports their angle he or she is doing work on behalf of that team. Particularly when driving down the market so say you’re Philly you could net Zach with less capital.
No problem with trade rumors, but driving down Bulls players market value is this early is a scam, and Chi-Town should say (I have a potty mouth) those people and just play out the year.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2023 11:53:27 GMT -6
The only person I would even consider moving, given the point he’s at in his career is DeRozan, do a solid for him.
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Post by tmill720 on Dec 7, 2023 11:57:49 GMT -6
If a reporter talks to four gm’s, that reporter should know when he reports their angle he or she is doing work on behalf of that team. Particularly when driving down the market so say you’re Philly you could net Zach with less capital. No problem with trade rumors, but driving down Bulls players market value is this early is a scam, and Chi-Town should say (I have a potty mouth) those people and just play out the year. Again, I don't get how this is the reporters' problem. The Bulls GM could just as easily say that he's talked to 12 teams about Lavine and everyone wants to sell the farm for him. So then the reporter could run a report saying that his market is amazing and it's going to take the farm to get him. OR the reporter is telling the truth, and teams really do see that Lavine is extremely overpaid and doesn't impact winning, so there really isn't a big market for him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2023 12:10:31 GMT -6
Again, I don't get how this is the reporters' problem. I get why people don't understand this, but ideally, a real journalist would simply say Daryl Morey told me he would not give up two firsts for him. This is an important line that we've been way, way over for a decade now. Reporters role is not to report on behalf of some gm's and not others. This is a non story, but since first week of November has been doing work. If a "reporter" thinks he's gauging the market it, you would need to identify who this is coming from. When in doubt reporters should can it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2023 12:16:40 GMT -6
Here's a good neutral example for you all.
Daryl Morey leaked trade talks between him and Kerr.
A reporter used to have to confirm with both parties before reporting a team is shopping someone. If you just report it from "at the time" Houston's side, now all the sudden Kerr's guy knows they're shopping him, whether a deal gets done or not. It is leveraging the market in a real, intentional way. And then you just have HTB do a pod with Kerr telling him he and Daryl are both good guys, and knows neither one of them would do such a thing.
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Post by tmill720 on Dec 7, 2023 12:17:24 GMT -6
Again, I don't get how this is the reporters' problem. I get why people don't understand this, but ideally, a real journalist would simply say Daryl Morey told me he would not give up two firsts for him. This is an important line that we've been way, way over for a decade now. Reporters role is not to report on behalf of some gm's and not others. This is a non story, but since first week of November has been doing work. If a "reporter" thinks he's gauging the market it, you would need to identify who this is coming from. When in doubt reporters should can it. The reporters report on whatever info is brought to them. So if some (Crappy) GMs don't give them info to help their case, that's their own fault, not the reporters. And of course the sources are going to remain anonymous, a GM wouldn't want to say publicly "Lavine sucks we don't want him" and then screw up future opportunities, or give him a revenge narrative type situation. Just absolutely no benefit for a team to publicly announce that.
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Post by tmill720 on Dec 7, 2023 12:18:27 GMT -6
Here's a good neutral example for you all. Daryl Morey leaked trade talks between him and Kerr. A reporter used to have to confirm with both parties before reporting a team is shopping someone. If you just report it from "at the time" Houston's side, now all the sudden Kerr's guy knows they're shopping him, whether a deal gets done or not. It is leveraging the market in a real, intentional way. And then you just have HTB do a pod with Kerr telling him he and Daryl are both good guys, and knows neither one of them would do such a thing. Which helps separate good GMs from bad GMs! Again, that's a GM problem, not a reporter problem.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2023 12:19:24 GMT -6
If a reporter wants to give an opinion, and say I think x player is worth this, or not worth this, that's perfectly acceptable.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2023 12:20:18 GMT -6
Which helps separate good GMs from bad GMs! Again, that's a GM problem, not a reporter problem. It separates journalists from Fox News hosts.
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Post by levine on Dec 7, 2023 12:42:02 GMT -6
Again, I don't get how this is the reporters' problem. I get why people don't understand this, but ideally, a real journalist would simply say Daryl Morey told me he would not give up two firsts for him. This is an important line that we've been way, way over for a decade now. Reporters role is not to report on behalf of some gm's and not others. This is a non story, but since first week of November has been doing work. If a "reporter" thinks he's gauging the market it, you would need to identify who this is coming from. When in doubt reporters should can it. I get why some people with an axe to grind need to find a conspiracy...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2023 12:53:25 GMT -6
I get why some people with an axe to grind need to find a conspiracy... Conspiracy technically is correct, particularly when you have a "reporter" do a hit piece on a team (conduct detrimental to a team) on behalf of an agent to misdirect the narrative. Part of the backlash to David is he was attempting to play that game, which Morey, Rosas, Hinkie, LeBron's camp maybe do most notably. Morey does not shed Harden first week of November without. All I can do is keep fans informed, and try to change how the league handles such situations. Like how Daryl leaked Wolves listening to offers for Jefferson right when Kahn got on board.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2023 12:57:04 GMT -6
Truly a Hannity/Trump Town Hall is far less problematic than Woj doing that interview on behalf of Schwartz, people know what that is, versus NBA media where he became the most famous troll in the biz.
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Post by levine on Dec 7, 2023 12:57:17 GMT -6
Part of the backlash to David is he was attempting to play that game No. He was in way over his head, in no way qualified for the position and did a terrible job.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2023 13:09:28 GMT -6
No. He was in way over his head, in no way qualified for the position and did a terrible job. This is objectively not true.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2023 13:10:43 GMT -6
And you never hear that kind of leaking media bullshit from Connelly, or Presti.
It's directly sourced to Morey Media most often. Or as Egg refers to them, The Shameless Boston Media.
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Post by tmill720 on Dec 7, 2023 13:20:58 GMT -6
I get why some people with an axe to grind need to find a conspiracy... Conspiracy technically is correct, particularly when you have a "reporter" do a hit piece on a team (conduct detrimental to a team) on behalf of an agent to misdirect the narrative. Part of the backlash to David is he was attempting to play that game, which Morey, Rosas, Hinkie, LeBron's camp maybe do most notably. Morey does not shed Harden first week of November without. All I can do is keep fans informed, and try to change how the league handles such situations. Like how Daryl leaked Wolves listening to offers for Jefferson right when Kahn got on board.Or how there were all these leaks about the Knicks being interested in KAT, and now we don't hear any of those since we're good and we probably aren't going to trade him? Teams don't HAVE to trade someone just because the media says there is interest from somewhere. The Clippers certainly did not have to do that deal, even if some media was calling for them to do it. Otherwise Ant would have been dealt this earlier this year when there were reports out saying he needs to be in a bigger market. This is all just noise unless the GM decides to do something about it. No media member is forcing anyone to do anything, unless they are a crappy GM (like Kahn apparently was).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2023 13:40:55 GMT -6
This is all just noise unless the GM decides to do something about it. No media member is forcing anyone to do anything, unless they are a crappy GM (like Kahn apparently was). Wolves fans have no idea what Kahn's tenure was, due to what they were listening to. Including you.
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Post by levine on Dec 7, 2023 13:41:24 GMT -6
And you never hear that kind of leaking media bullshit from Connelly, or Presti. It's directly sourced to Morey Media most often. Or as Egg refers to them, The Shameless Boston Media. Because Kahn was not in the least media savvy. He was a horrible sound byte waiting to happen. He did all the "work" for those guys.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2023 13:42:06 GMT -6
If at any point in your life you thought Woj was a journalist, that's on you. We need that Shams/Woj piece in 2009.
This is why we must protect our youth.
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Post by levine on Dec 7, 2023 13:44:11 GMT -6
This is all just noise unless the GM decides to do something about it. No media member is forcing anyone to do anything, unless they are a crappy GM (like Kahn apparently was). Wolves fans have no idea what Kahn's tenure was, due to what they were listening to. Including you. Sometimes when its everybody else, its not actually everybody else... Its like my favorite Raylan Givens quote: "If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2023 13:50:04 GMT -6
"If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole." Woj, Daryl, and Bill are all assholes.
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Post by tmill720 on Dec 7, 2023 14:30:10 GMT -6
This is all just noise unless the GM decides to do something about it. No media member is forcing anyone to do anything, unless they are a crappy GM (like Kahn apparently was). Wolves fans have no idea what Kahn's tenure was, due to what they were listening to. Including you. But what you're saying is that Kahn caved to all of those media reports right? So that's why Connelly is a better GM than him - he didn't break up his group because of what the media was saying. He didn't extend Jaden for the max just because the media wanted him to get the deal done on July 1st. Did the media force him to take Wes Johnson? Did the media force him to take Derrick Williams? Did the media force him to sign Alexey Shved? If they did, then he sucks as a GM for letting the media make his decisions for him. If they didn't, he sucks as a GM for making terrible transactions.
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