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Post by kingsxman on Jan 4, 2024 15:49:57 GMT -6
Dan Barreiro has Mike Conley on at 4:30 today. He previewed the interview by saying that Conley said in the "pre-recorded" interview that he is as close as he's ever been to getting a technical because he's starting to fall into the same trap as Ant/Kat with complaining about calls. And Conley didnt say that as a good thing apparently. If true...this is a real bad sign that right now, rather than Conley rubbing off on Ant/Kat...they are rubbing off on him in a negative way.
I'll update after I hear the interview.
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Post by XRaySpecs on Jan 4, 2024 15:56:06 GMT -6
And Conley didnt say that as a good thing apparently. If true...this is a real bad sign that right now, rather than Conley rubbing off on Ant/Kat...they are rubbing off on him in a negative way. The silly thing is that it doesn't work. Has KAT gotten more calls by acting the way he has? Ant has actually started to get more calls, but it's not because he's yelling hey or clapping at the refs. He's getting more recently because he's going hard to the hoop all the time and while that has it's own negative consequences, the positive is that it generates more fouls drawn. It's not the complaining though!
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Post by jojo on Jan 4, 2024 16:04:40 GMT -6
I've concluded O pre and post fom is two ball movers. I think we need Kyle AND Tyus to hum if the old butterball is going to continue to stand pat on O. For example, if we have Tyus and Naz, sure they can pick and roll some, but we would still need that 4th ball handler (true handle), which I don't think is NAW, Shake, Reid, Towns or Troy Brown Jr. It will be fun to see what Connelly decides, I'm sure there's many options outside of he handful names were talking about, but I think the goal should be two creators on the floor, I think it's tough with J-Mac, and Kyle in that second group, assuming we're refusing to change up O there. The 2-big lineup is rearing it's ugly head. It can work but everyone has to play perfect to get good spacing. Ant and KAT are slipping into bad habits. I'm not criticizing Finch since it's a tough job, and will take some ups and downs to get everyone in line. In the end I don't think Rudy-KAT is sustainable on a title contender, but they need to get the best out of it this year.
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Post by cory on Jan 5, 2024 12:04:35 GMT -6
I've concluded O pre and post fom is two ball movers. I think we need Kyle AND Tyus to hum if the old butterball is going to continue to stand pat on O. For example, if we have Tyus and Naz, sure they can pick and roll some, but we would still need that 4th ball handler (true handle), which I don't think is NAW, Shake, Reid, Towns or Troy Brown Jr. It will be fun to see what Connelly decides, I'm sure there's many options outside of he handful names were talking about, but I think the goal should be two creators on the floor, I think it's tough with J-Mac, and Kyle in that second group, assuming we're refusing to change up O there. The 2-big lineup is rearing it's ugly head. It can work but everyone has to play perfect to get good spacing. Ant and KAT are slipping into bad habits. I'm not criticizing Finch since it's a tough job, and will take some ups and downs to get everyone in line. In the end I don't think Rudy-KAT is sustainable on a title contender, but they need to get the best out of it this year. I have gone to a few games recently which has allowed me to watch more rather than working to get kids to bed and watching maybe the last 10 minutes of most games. It has seemed to me that this occurs when Conley is off the court. Is that what others are seeing? That's why I say we need another true PG and in Tyus's case potentially a long term fit at the role to make sure that guys are in the right spots. Tyus becoming a dependable shooter at this point is massive as well. My fear is with most pickups at the deadline or buyout market we are going to have to choose shooting or Pg play. Tyus may be one of the only guys we could potentially get that crosses off both areas even if he's not a volume 3 guy. Ant's going to have to take over games in the playoffs but he still will need another ball handler at times and I will be worried that Conley alone won't be enough. I love him but he's almost my age.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2024 12:09:56 GMT -6
Is it more difficult for a player to knock down, those open in rhythm corner threes, or generate those, particularly when NAW, Shake, or Troy Brown Jr, Kyle, Naz, and Kat are on the floor?
Can our offense improve generating those, and cutting down on turnovers with more purpose/structure, or do we have to get a point guard in order to run clean O there?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2024 12:11:39 GMT -6
Nick's homie:
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2024 12:19:00 GMT -6
Also those screens Towns is setting there are really just him running to a location, he's not really screening anyone.
The lack of off-ball movement is a feature of CF O. Pre-FOM, you would always have guys moving, pending personnel, you are moving the ball in tandem with a scorer, around screens and cutters to get d's head turned. Very little of that happens now, but that is a thing OKC has figured out to do in the spread era.
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Post by levine on Jan 5, 2024 12:24:08 GMT -6
KAT has never set a good screen in his career.
Rudy is probably the best screener in Wolves history.
KG got away with more moving screens than anyone I can remember watching.
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Post by quinn on Jan 5, 2024 13:16:41 GMT -6
Dan Barreiro has Mike Conley on at 4:30 today. He previewed the interview by saying that Conley said in the "pre-recorded" interview that he is as close as he's ever been to getting a technical because he's starting to fall into the same trap as Ant/Kat with complaining about calls. And Conley didnt say that as a good thing apparently. If true...this is a real bad sign that right now, rather than Conley rubbing off on Ant/Kat...they are rubbing off on him in a negative way. I'll update after I hear the interview. Curious as to what was said. Any updates after listening?
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Post by tmill720 on Jan 5, 2024 13:20:41 GMT -6
Is it more difficult for a player to knock down, those open in rhythm corner threes, or generate those, particularly when NAW, Shake, or Troy Brown Jr, Kyle, Naz, and Kat are on the floor? Can our offense improve generating those, and cutting down on turnovers with more purpose/structure, or do we have to get a point guard in order to run clean O there? I think it's a combo not having spacing awareness AND good shooting. - We have no issue generating wide-open, in-rhythm corner 3s for Kyle or Shake but that's because those guys are spacing well but just not being guarded (rightfully so). - We have a hard time generating wide open 3s for KAT because he is choosing to become more of a post-up/start in the midrange guy because all of these quicker, smaller players are playing him tight and not letting him do his jab-step 3 thing. He is better able to individually impact those matchups in the post, but it clogs up everything for everyone else. He has the shooting for it, but isn't' spacing as well as Naz is. - Jaden, NAW, and TBJ are both fine, but if they are the only 1-2 guys spacing, then they aren't hard to guard. You need to have 3-4 guys spacing to make them harder to rotate to everyone. Plus, if you close out hard on NAW or Jaden, chances are he'll drive and have a 50/50 turnover or decent play. - Naz is taking and making plenty of open 3s, and has the ability to make plays for himself if they close out too hard. Moral of the story: KAT needs to space out to the 3pt line more, we need someone else who can make plays for others (what we thought Shake was going to do, and what we are paying Naz and Jaden to be), and we could use more consistency from Jaden and NAW to allow SloMo to have room to operate inside the 3pt line.
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Post by quinn on Jan 5, 2024 13:21:14 GMT -6
The 2-big lineup is rearing it's ugly head. It can work but everyone has to play perfect to get good spacing. Ant and KAT are slipping into bad habits. I'm not criticizing Finch since it's a tough job, and will take some ups and downs to get everyone in line. In the end I don't think Rudy-KAT is sustainable on a title contender, but they need to get the best out of it this year. I have gone to a few games recently which has allowed me to watch more rather than working to get kids to bed and watching maybe the last 10 minutes of most games. It has seemed to me that this occurs when Conley is off the court. Is that what others are seeing? That's why I say we need another true PG and in Tyus's case potentially a long term fit at the role to make sure that guys are in the right spots. Tyus becoming a dependable shooter at this point is massive as well. My fear is with most pickups at the deadline or buyout market we are going to have to choose shooting or Pg play. Tyus may be one of the only guys we could potentially get that crosses off both areas even if he's not a volume 3 guy. Ant's going to have to take over games in the playoffs but he still will need another ball handler at times and I will be worried that Conley alone won't be enough. I love him but he's almost my age. Well but that's the thing. The Wolves actually ARE a good shooting team. We're just super low on volume. Dane was talking with Kyle I think it was about this recently that for as good a shooting team as they are, it makes zero sense why they don't take more. So to me, I know we have guys (*cough cough* KAT) who should be shooting more, but for whatever reason they aren't. It's why I would prefer PG play. A solid organizer is much harder to come by than a guy that can stick a 3. I've said it before, but I'll say it again, if you have Mike, Tyus, and JMac in one PG room, I don't know if there's a more professional group out there. Plus, if Leonard Miller shows improvement, or heck even Minott, maybe they can take Kyle's spot in the rotation.
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Post by kingsxman on Jan 5, 2024 13:52:07 GMT -6
Dan Barreiro has Mike Conley on at 4:30 today. He previewed the interview by saying that Conley said in the "pre-recorded" interview that he is as close as he's ever been to getting a technical because he's starting to fall into the same trap as Ant/Kat with complaining about calls. And Conley didnt say that as a good thing apparently. If true...this is a real bad sign that right now, rather than Conley rubbing off on Ant/Kat...they are rubbing off on him in a negative way. I'll update after I hear the interview. Curious as to what was said. Any updates after listening? Oh thanks for the reminder. It was really nothing. It wasnt like some big revelation and it was almost said in a joking manner. (unlike what Barreiro made it sound like). Pretty uneventful. Need to move the ball. Need to hit open shots. I forget what else was said. Was working so only caught half of it.
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