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Post by cory on Dec 20, 2018 10:06:10 GMT -6
This guy. Or Garland depending on where we land in the lotto. Morant looks like a potential star as a lead guard that is lacking on this roster. Rose is filling the role now but this guy is good. theathletic.com/722371/2018/12/20/whos-ja-morant-the-murray-state-star-is-quietly-making-a-name-for-himself-and-will-soon-be-in-an-nba-city-near-you/So many of the Morant highlights in that article show him getting to the hoop and going through 3-5 defenders in the paint to do so. When he gets in to the NBA and the court is more wide open, he could be really dangerous. He just needs to work on his shooting. If we can get a potential lead guard of the future, Tyus can hold the team down in the mean time whether or not Teague is here next year or on his final season. Our wing rotation should be set for the next few years with Okogie developing and essentially canceling out the awfulness of the Wiggins contract. But we need someone who can become the lead playmaker and creator for the end of KAT's run. Have a year of Teague and two years of Tyus that allow a rookie to develop would be a great situation unless they are busting through the door right away and that is a good problem to have.
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Post by Nick K on Dec 20, 2018 11:25:09 GMT -6
is there really doubt on this board that our PGs next season will be Teague and Rose? I dont see thibs abandoning either of them, and I dont see Taylor abandoning thibs. Bob, do I ever hate to agree with you on this one. I'm not seeing any of it either.
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Post by The Country Club on Dec 20, 2018 11:39:47 GMT -6
This guy. Or Garland depending on where we land in the lotto. Morant looks like a potential star as a lead guard that is lacking on this roster. Rose is filling the role now but this guy is good. theathletic.com/722371/2018/12/20/whos-ja-morant-the-murray-state-star-is-quietly-making-a-name-for-himself-and-will-soon-be-in-an-nba-city-near-you/So many of the Morant highlights in that article show him getting to the hoop and going through 3-5 defenders in the paint to do so. When he gets in to the NBA and the court is more wide open, he could be really dangerous. He just needs to work on his shooting. If we can get a potential lead guard of the future, Tyus can hold the team down in the mean time whether or not Teague is here next year or on his final season. Our wing rotation should be set for the next few years with Okogie developing and essentially canceling out the awfulness of the Wiggins contract. But we need someone who can become the lead playmaker and creator for the end of KAT's run. Have a year of Teague and two years of Tyus that allow a rookie to develop would be a great situation unless they are busting through the door right away and that is a good problem to have. Morant barely hitting 30% of his 3's in college with a markedly worse asst/to ratio than last season isn't giving me a lot of reason for excitement. The only game against "name" competition he had 10 turnovers and glory balled hard that night (against Bama). If we get the 10th/11th pick in the draft I would probably dial up Boston and see if we can swap a couple of their firsts for our pick so we can get some role player talent. We're going to need cheap contracts. The point guards in the draft are backup quality outside of Morant...and I'm not sure Morant is going to mesh well with Wiggins unless you pawn him off.
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Post by quinn on Dec 20, 2018 12:20:17 GMT -6
This guy. Or Garland depending on where we land in the lotto. Morant looks like a potential star as a lead guard that is lacking on this roster. Rose is filling the role now but this guy is good. theathletic.com/722371/2018/12/20/whos-ja-morant-the-murray-state-star-is-quietly-making-a-name-for-himself-and-will-soon-be-in-an-nba-city-near-you/So many of the Morant highlights in that article show him getting to the hoop and going through 3-5 defenders in the paint to do so. When he gets in to the NBA and the court is more wide open, he could be really dangerous. He just needs to work on his shooting. If we can get a potential lead guard of the future, Tyus can hold the team down in the mean time whether or not Teague is here next year or on his final season. Our wing rotation should be set for the next few years with Okogie developing and essentially canceling out the awfulness of the Wiggins contract. But we need someone who can become the lead playmaker and creator for the end of KAT's run. Have a year of Teague and two years of Tyus that allow a rookie to develop would be a great situation unless they are busting through the door right away and that is a good problem to have. I mentioned something similar to this is another thread since we have the time, with Teague most likely opting in and hopefully with a resigning of Tyus, to let a PG of the future develop. However, I suggested Darius Garland since I feel that Ja Morant will go above where we'd be slotted. Garland will be a bit more of a project since he's missing a lot of time this year with a meniscus tear so I would hope that he slides to us in the teens. Let's not forget that he was the number 1 PG in this class before the injury.
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Post by cory on Dec 20, 2018 13:07:56 GMT -6
This guy. Or Garland depending on where we land in the lotto. Morant looks like a potential star as a lead guard that is lacking on this roster. Rose is filling the role now but this guy is good. theathletic.com/722371/2018/12/20/whos-ja-morant-the-murray-state-star-is-quietly-making-a-name-for-himself-and-will-soon-be-in-an-nba-city-near-you/So many of the Morant highlights in that article show him getting to the hoop and going through 3-5 defenders in the paint to do so. When he gets in to the NBA and the court is more wide open, he could be really dangerous. He just needs to work on his shooting. If we can get a potential lead guard of the future, Tyus can hold the team down in the mean time whether or not Teague is here next year or on his final season. Our wing rotation should be set for the next few years with Okogie developing and essentially canceling out the awfulness of the Wiggins contract. But we need someone who can become the lead playmaker and creator for the end of KAT's run. Have a year of Teague and two years of Tyus that allow a rookie to develop would be a great situation unless they are busting through the door right away and that is a good problem to have. Morant barely hitting 30% of his 3's in college with a markedly worse asst/to ratio than last season isn't giving me a lot of reason for excitement. The only game against "name" competition he had 10 turnovers and glory balled hard that night (against Bama). If we get the 10th/11th pick in the draft I would probably dial up Boston and see if we can swap a couple of their firsts for our pick so we can get some role player talent. We're going to need cheap contracts. The point guards in the draft are backup quality outside of Morant...and I'm not sure Morant is going to mesh well with Wiggins unless you pawn him off. You're correct on Morant but there is reason to think he could have star potential. He does seem to play wild at times. Him being a late bloomer though makes me think he could get past some of that stuff. As Q mentioned, Garland is really intriguing as well and it's too bad that we can't evaluate him too. He looks like a much superior shooter and would be a a good candidate. That could be an opportunity as well as he won't have an opportunity to increase his value more than Morant so if he is superior, maybe he slides to 10-14. I don't really like the wings that I think will be available in the 7-14 (Grimes, Little) range where we are likely to pick. They all seem to have more holes than Morant and are worse shooters. Maybe someone like Langford is there but I'm not sure he's a better prospect than Morant or Garland in terms of overall play and fit. If we can walk away with one of the PG's as a developmental project, I would be really happy with the draft. I think the potential of Garland or Morant is enough to not make me want to move back for role player potential. I just don't think this year has the depth of past years in terms of guys who will contribute in significant ways in the late teens and twenties. Jontay Porter was seen as a late first rounder early 2nd rounder if he would have come out for the 2018 and there is still buzz he could be a lottery pick despite being hurt for the whole year in 2019. This draft lacks depth once you get past 10-12 deep and some of those guys have more holes than past years also. <iframe width="33.83999999999992" height="9.319999999999993" style="position: absolute; width: 33.83999999999992px; height: 9.319999999999993px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_86255629" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="33.83999999999992" height="9.319999999999993" style="position: absolute; width: 33.84px; height: 9.32px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1622px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_4993109" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="33.83999999999992" height="9.319999999999993" style="position: absolute; width: 33.84px; height: 9.32px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 401px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_11974415" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="33.83999999999992" height="9.319999999999993" style="position: absolute; width: 33.84px; height: 9.32px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1622px; top: 401px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_79063032" scrolling="no"></iframe>
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Post by levine on Dec 20, 2018 13:13:53 GMT -6
This guy. Or Garland depending on where we land in the lotto. Morant looks like a potential star as a lead guard that is lacking on this roster. Rose is filling the role now but this guy is good. theathletic.com/722371/2018/12/20/whos-ja-morant-the-murray-state-star-is-quietly-making-a-name-for-himself-and-will-soon-be-in-an-nba-city-near-you/So many of the Morant highlights in that article show him getting to the hoop and going through 3-5 defenders in the paint to do so. When he gets in to the NBA and the court is more wide open, he could be really dangerous. He just needs to work on his shooting. If we can get a potential lead guard of the future, Tyus can hold the team down in the mean time whether or not Teague is here next year or on his final season. Our wing rotation should be set for the next few years with Okogie developing and essentially canceling out the awfulness of the Wiggins contract. But we need someone who can become the lead playmaker and creator for the end of KAT's run. Have a year of Teague and two years of Tyus that allow a rookie to develop would be a great situation unless they are busting through the door right away and that is a good problem to have. Morant barely hitting 30% of his 3's in college with a markedly worse asst/to ratio than last season isn't giving me a lot of reason for excitement. The only game against "name" competition he had 10 turnovers and glory balled hard that night (against Bama). If we get the 10th/11th pick in the draft I would probably dial up Boston and see if we can swap a couple of their firsts for our pick so we can get some role player talent. We're going to need cheap contracts.The point guards in the draft are backup quality outside of Morant...and I'm not sure Morant is going to mesh well with Wiggins unless you pawn him off. Not me. First, i don't think there is a chance we win a trade with Boston. Second, if Boston wants to trade for our pick, it means there is a player they really like at that spot.
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Post by The Country Club on Dec 20, 2018 15:01:11 GMT -6
Morant barely hitting 30% of his 3's in college with a markedly worse asst/to ratio than last season isn't giving me a lot of reason for excitement. The only game against "name" competition he had 10 turnovers and glory balled hard that night (against Bama). If we get the 10th/11th pick in the draft I would probably dial up Boston and see if we can swap a couple of their firsts for our pick so we can get some role player talent. We're going to need cheap contracts.The point guards in the draft are backup quality outside of Morant...and I'm not sure Morant is going to mesh well with Wiggins unless you pawn him off. Not me. First, i don't think there is a chance we win a trade with Boston. Second, if Boston wants to trade for our pick, it means there is a player they really like at that spot. Regarding #2 - does that matter? Boston's not our concern since we're not in the same conference. And with #1 - they may have four picks in the first round this year...all of which may be within 10 spots. There's not a huge drop in talent in that range. This is really a 6 person draft (IMO). I really don't care for anyone after 6 as a "go to" - there are a lot of role players in this draft based on projections...which is why I'd argue for a trade if we're late lottery...I think getting two role players instead of one is a better play. We're not in a position where we can sign a lot of guys so the idea of getting 2 for 1 should have merit.
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Post by levine on Dec 20, 2018 15:27:00 GMT -6
Not me. First, i don't think there is a chance we win a trade with Boston. Second, if Boston wants to trade for our pick, it means there is a player they really like at that spot.
Regarding #2 - does that matter? Boston's not our concern since we're not in the same conference.And with #1 - they may have four picks in the first round this year...all of which may be within 10 spots. There's not a huge drop in talent in that range. This is really a 6 person draft (IMO). I really don't care for anyone after 6 as a "go to" - there are a lot of role players in this draft based on projections...which is why I'd argue for a trade if we're late lottery...I think getting two role players instead of one is a better play. We're not in a position where we can sign a lot of guys so the idea of getting 2 for 1 should have merit. Absolutely. Because the odds of us getting fleeced in a trade are much higher when dealing with the shrewdest drafting front office in the league. It also seems like you're carving the draft in stone WAY sooner than is prudent. How many drafts end up following what they appeared to look like in December?
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Post by The Country Club on Dec 20, 2018 16:35:51 GMT -6
Feels like you have nits you want to pick today.
Sees words "based on projections" in what he said to Cory.
Regarding BOS, they are shrewd but inquiring certainly does not equal "do"...
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Post by XRaySpecs on Dec 20, 2018 16:45:15 GMT -6
Draft Tre Jones because...MN.
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Post by levine on Dec 20, 2018 16:46:34 GMT -6
Feels like you have nits you want to pick today. Sees words "based on projections" in what he said to Cory. Regarding BOS, they are shrewd but inquiring certainly does not equal "do"... Its not really nits - more of a fundamental disagreement, but whatever...
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Post by Nick K on Dec 20, 2018 17:56:28 GMT -6
Draft Tre Jones because...MN. A true Minnesotan! :)
Who knows, Tre might be better than Tyus.....
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Post by Scorched on Dec 20, 2018 20:19:00 GMT -6
Draft Tre Jones because...MN. A true Minnesotan!
Who knows, Tre might be better than Tyus.....
Tre was on tv tonight, he looks good. Would be fun to have them both.
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Post by levine on Dec 20, 2018 20:37:46 GMT -6
A true Minnesotan!
Who knows, Tre might be better than Tyus.....
Tre was on tv tonight, he looks good. Would be fun to have them both. Tre is kind of interesting. He has a lot of the same strengths and weaknesses as Tyus. He's a better athlete and much better interior scorer, but I don't think he has quite the defensive instincts and is a significantly worse outside shooter shooter. College: Tre: 47/35/67 Tyus: 42/38/89 Those last 2 numbers for Tre are very concerning.
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Post by salty on Dec 20, 2018 21:55:53 GMT -6
Tre was on tv tonight, he looks good. Would be fun to have them both. Tre is kind of interesting. He has a lot of the same strengths and weaknesses as Tyus. He's a better athlete and much better interior scorer, but I don't think he has quite the defensive instincts and is a significantly worse outside shooter shooter. College: Tre: 47/35/67 Tyus: 42/38/89 Those last 2 numbers for Tre are very concerning. It would really be something to shoot worse than Tyus.
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Post by Nick K on Dec 20, 2018 22:07:59 GMT -6
Tre was on tv tonight, he looks good. Would be fun to have them both. Tre is kind of interesting. He has a lot of the same strengths and weaknesses as Tyus. He's a better athlete and much better interior scorer, but I don't think he has quite the defensive instincts and is a significantly worse outside shooter shooter. College: Tre: 47/35/67 Tyus: 42/38/89 Those last 2 numbers for Tre are very concerning. Yes, that's a fair synopsis.
Of course I thought Tyus would be a better pro at this point. It looks like I have to concede to those of you that, on draft night, thought he'd only be a passable backup. If Tyus could improve his shot and finish better at the rim he could be a decent starter in the league, like I originally thought. Alas, I'm not seeing it.
I've followed Tyus at a distance since high school and love it when I see him playing with guys 3-4 years older, like Rubio, and competing.
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Post by levine on Dec 20, 2018 22:32:09 GMT -6
Tre is kind of interesting. He has a lot of the same strengths and weaknesses as Tyus. He's a better athlete and much better interior scorer, but I don't think he has quite the defensive instincts and is a significantly worse outside shooter shooter. College: Tre: 47/35/67 Tyus: 42/38/89 Those last 2 numbers for Tre are very concerning. Yes, that's a fair synopsis.
Of course I thought Tyus would be a better pro at this point. It looks like I have to concede to those of you that, on draft night, thought he'd only be a passable backup. If Tyus could improve his shot and finish better at the rim he could be a decent starter in the league, like I originally thought. Alas, I'm not seeing it.
I've followed Tyus at a distance since high school and love it when I see him playing with guys 3-4 years older, like Rubio, and competing.
Interesting. I'm 180 from that. I thought he had no chance at draft time. Now I think he could totally be a starter. Not a Top 3 player on a good team, but he could absolutely start on one.
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Post by Scorched on Dec 21, 2018 0:31:20 GMT -6
Tre is a pretty small sample size right now, I think the most concerning thing for me is the free throw percentage, that seems to be the best indicator of 3 point success in the pros.
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Post by XRaySpecs on Dec 21, 2018 8:40:33 GMT -6
Yes, that's a fair synopsis.
Of course I thought Tyus would be a better pro at this point. It looks like I have to concede to those of you that, on draft night, thought he'd only be a passable backup. If Tyus could improve his shot and finish better at the rim he could be a decent starter in the league, like I originally thought. Alas, I'm not seeing it.
I've followed Tyus at a distance since high school and love it when I see him playing with guys 3-4 years older, like Rubio, and competing.
Interesting. I'm 180 from that. I thought he had no chance at draft time. Now I think he could totally be a starter. Not a Top 3 player on a good team, but he could absolutely start on one. I agree. I initially thought that Tyus just didn't have the body or athletic ability to be anything more than a backup type guy. He's gotten a lot stronger and it seems that his physical profile isn't as limiting as I thought. The problem is his shooting. What a weird shooting slump this year? I was hoping he'd be able to take a step forward with his 3 pt shooting this year to get up to the 40% range. Instead he has cratered from 3 with just an awful shooting year. The shooting thing seems out of line with his projection to the point that I'd expect a big bounce back at some point. His shooting is surely driving down his value in FA, but I think a smart team is going to land a good player on the cheap when his shooting rebounds. If Thibs gets fired (hopefully), I'd love a new (smart) FO/coach to come in this summer and match reasonable deals on Tyus. At worst, I think his shooting rebounds enough that he's a good backup. At best, a new coach/system take advantage of his true PG skills and he breaks out into a nice complementary starter who makes those around him better (you know, like PGs should be doing).
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Post by cory on Dec 21, 2018 9:06:04 GMT -6
And with #1 - they may have four picks in the first round this year...all of which may be within 10 spots. There's not a huge drop in talent in that range. This is really a 6 person draft (IMO). I really don't care for anyone after 6 as a "go to" - there are a lot of role players in this draft based on projections...which is why I'd argue for a trade if we're late lottery...I think getting two role players instead of one is a better play. We're not in a position where we can sign a lot of guys so the idea of getting 2 for 1 should have merit. Agree to disagree on 6 being the number and on the amount of role player potential late in the draft. www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailableI think the lottery has 10-12 solid names that I would be happy to take a gamble on based on upside. I think the lower part of the 1st is going to be much more swing and miss this year than the past two drafts. For instance, I like Deandre Hunter around the 10 area which is where he's presently projected roughly, I don't mind Hachimura but I think in a normal year he would be around a 20-30 guy and he's probably a late lottery pick. Once you get past his name on that list, I struggle to find guys who are a fit for the Wolves and would play in the next 2 years. It's very C/PF heavy and none of them will overtake Towns or Saric and none of the wings would project to take any real minutes from RoCo, Okogie, and Wiggins. There's also a huge PG drop unless you want to try Tre but I don't see any point in that with having Tyus. This franchise needs to hit on a big one to maximize KAT's window and we have a much better shot of doing that in the 7-14 range then we do in trying to do it with multiple late 1sts this year. My way too early draft board. Dort is a potential riser and I would be really reluctant to pass on the potential of any of these 12 over multiple shots later. If I have a shot at any of the top 9, I don't consider a deal. 1) Zion 2) Barrett 3) Reddish 4) Bol Bol 5) Langford 6) Morant 7) Garland 8) Hunter 9) Dort 10) Little 11) Kevin Porter 12) Dombouya
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Post by cmoss84 on Dec 21, 2018 11:25:54 GMT -6
Wasn't sure where to post this question, so I'll put it here...
does anyone watch the Gophers on a consistent basis? Will Jordan Murphy get drafted?
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Post by levine on Dec 21, 2018 11:34:01 GMT -6
Wasn't sure where to post this question, so I'll put it here... does anyone watch the Gophers on a consistent basis? Will Jordan Murphy get drafted? Probably not. At his size he's going to need to be much more of an outside shooter. He'll get invited to some things, maybe get a look by some teams as an undrafted FA.
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Post by kingsxman on Dec 21, 2018 12:17:00 GMT -6
Yes, that's a fair synopsis.
Of course I thought Tyus would be a better pro at this point. It looks like I have to concede to those of you that, on draft night, thought he'd only be a passable backup. If Tyus could improve his shot and finish better at the rim he could be a decent starter in the league, like I originally thought. Alas, I'm not seeing it.
I've followed Tyus at a distance since high school and love it when I see him playing with guys 3-4 years older, like Rubio, and competing.
Interesting. I'm 180 from that. I thought he had no chance at draft time. Now I think he could totally be a starter. Not a Top 3 player on a good team, but he could absolutely start on one. I agree that he can be a starter. a smart coach will start him and realize that he is a bit Rubio like in that he makes the others around him better.
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Post by levine on Dec 21, 2018 13:50:43 GMT -6
Alan Horton@WolvesRadio Thibs says Jeff Teague (left ankle) will be out another week to 10 days.
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Post by Bonecrusher on Dec 21, 2018 15:08:35 GMT -6
Alan Horton@WolvesRadio Thibs says Jeff Teague (left ankle) will be out another week to 10 days. I'm heartbroken for the Wolves. Feel bad for Teague. But ffs can we start Tyus for once along with Saric instead of Taj?
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