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Post by salty on Nov 1, 2018 16:18:20 GMT -6
I'm going to comment only on D.Rose on the court. He was truly amazing last night. One of the great games in TWolves history. Great enough to be cool with trading Teague for salary dumps and go with Tyus and Rose at the PG.
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Post by jr on Nov 1, 2018 16:59:39 GMT -6
I'm going to comment only on D.Rose on the court. He was truly amazing last night. One of the great games in TWolves history. Great enough to be cool with trading Teague for salary dumps and go with Tyus and Rose at the PG. The thing is, Rose's shot is so broken last night was an incredible aberration. There were a lot of "toss it up and see what happens" shots that went in. He is fast and seems to be able to get to the rim but I would have to see quite a few more of these aberration nights before I change my mind. He has been a double digit minus player for a long time. One good night changes nothing except Thib's arguments to overplay him.
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Post by tjstyles on Nov 2, 2018 8:58:18 GMT -6
I'm going to comment only on D.Rose on the court. He was truly amazing last night. One of the great games in TWolves history. Great enough to be cool with trading Teague for salary dumps and go with Tyus and Rose at the PG. I rest my case.
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Post by salty on Nov 2, 2018 10:16:26 GMT -6
I'm going to comment only on D.Rose on the court. He was truly amazing last night. One of the great games in TWolves history. Great enough to be cool with trading Teague for salary dumps and go with Tyus and Rose at the PG. I rest my case. I assume this is a rip, but I see it as a way to make Thibs see we don't need Teague after all...mainly because we don't. You don't want Jones traded so putting Rose back at the PG full time and getting rid of Teague is a win win overall. Okobie gets to play more and Jones gets a better shot at showing if he has a future here. I would have been good with dumping Teague before the season started (and what Rose did the other night) and rolling with Jones/Rose. And lastly, Thibs is going to play Rose no matter what. Rose could have shot 0-16 and he would still get 30 minutes a game going forward.
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Post by tjstyles on Nov 2, 2018 11:05:06 GMT -6
I assume this is a rip, but I see it as a way to make Thibs see we don't need Teague after all...mainly because we don't. You don't want Jones traded so putting Rose back at the PG full time and getting rid of Teague is a win win overall. Okobie gets to play more and Jones gets a better shot at showing if he has a future here. I would have been good with dumping Teague before the season started (and what Rose did the other night) and rolling with Jones/Rose. And lastly, Thibs is going to play Rose no matter what. Rose could have shot 0-16 and he would still get 30 minutes a game going forward. I was not taking a shot at you. My last post was basically, "people will use this single good game to justify drastic decisions". I have been one of the more vocal people against the Rubio for Teague "trade", and I am not a big fan of Teague in the context of the Timberwolves even without factoring Rubio in. But, Teague is significantly better for the team than Rose. One good game does not make Rose a star player again. Now, it is entirely possible that this is the first game in a long line of great games, and if that is the case, I will admit I was wrong. But, we see this all of the time. Williams is garbage for 2/3s of the season and puts up one decent game and all of the Williams supports get cocky. Then, Williams goes back to being terrible for the rest of the season and we still have to hear about the one game he had. Wiggins is/was the player that was happening for most recently, but it feels like even his supporters have fallen off. I just suspect we will be hearing about Rose's 50 point game for a while, even when he follows it up with a bunch of garbage. While I would not be opposed to trading Teague to open up playing time for Tyus and to show Tyus that we are serious about making him the starter here, I absolutely do not feel that Rose should be any kind of a factor in that decision at all, period. This game should not be cited as reasoning towards any personnel decisions. It is short-sighted, rash, and if Rose is being factored as a significant part the future of this franchise in any way, then people need to be losing their jobs. Any decision made that has the justification of "but we have Rose" is fundamentally flawed. And yes, Thibs is going to do what Thibs wants. That was a very big part of my post that I was referring to with my comment. This game gives Thibs "ammo" when people question Rose still being in the game after shooting poorly and playing out of a game. Thibs will simply point to the 50 point game as some sort of "evidence" that playing Rose big minutes is a good thing. To me, the bottom line is this: if Rose is the second best guard on our team, we are not a playoff team in the Western Conference. We are not likely a playoff team in the Eastern Conference.
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Post by salty on Nov 2, 2018 12:21:02 GMT -6
I assume this is a rip, but I see it as a way to make Thibs see we don't need Teague after all...mainly because we don't. You don't want Jones traded so putting Rose back at the PG full time and getting rid of Teague is a win win overall. Okobie gets to play more and Jones gets a better shot at showing if he has a future here. I would have been good with dumping Teague before the season started (and what Rose did the other night) and rolling with Jones/Rose. And lastly, Thibs is going to play Rose no matter what. Rose could have shot 0-16 and he would still get 30 minutes a game going forward. I was not taking a shot at you. My last post was basically, "people will use this single good game to justify drastic decisions". I have been one of the more vocal people against the Rubio for Teague "trade", and I am not a big fan of Teague in the context of the Timberwolves even without factoring Rubio in. But, Teague is significantly better for the team than Rose. One good game does not make Rose a star player again. Now, it is entirely possible that this is the first game in a long line of great games, and if that is the case, I will admit I was wrong. But, we see this all of the time. Williams is garbage for 2/3s of the season and puts up one decent game and all of the Williams supports get cocky. Then, Williams goes back to being terrible for the rest of the season and we still have to hear about the one game he had. Wiggins is/was the player that was happening for most recently, but it feels like even his supporters have fallen off. I just suspect we will be hearing about Rose's 50 point game for a while, even when he follows it up with a bunch of garbage. While I would not be opposed to trading Teague to open up playing time for Tyus and to show Tyus that we are serious about making him the starter here, I absolutely do not feel that Rose should be any kind of a factor in that decision at all, period. This game should not be cited as reasoning towards any personnel decisions. It is short-sighted, rash, and if Rose is being factored as a significant part the future of this franchise in any way, then people need to be losing their jobs. Any decision made that has the justification of "but we have Rose" is fundamentally flawed. And yes, Thibs is going to do what Thibs wants. That was a very big part of my post that I was referring to with my comment. This game gives Thibs "ammo" when people question Rose still being in the game after shooting poorly and playing out of a game. Thibs will simply point to the 50 point game as some sort of "evidence" that playing Rose big minutes is a good thing. To me, the bottom line is this: if Rose is the second best guard on our team, we are not a playoff team in the Western Conference. We are not likely a playoff team in the Eastern Conference. I don't think we are a playoff team period...as long as Jimmy is around. I just want Teague gone, not because I hate him or believe he is terrible, I just don't think he helps with the team going forward. I look at Rose/50 points as maybe a way to make this happen. This only happens if Jimmy is traded of course. I still look at it from the viewpoint that Thibs is going to play Rose early in the game, late in the game, every game no matter what. 50 points or 2 points. Maybe 50 points will help instead of hurt.
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Post by The Country Club on Nov 2, 2018 13:00:23 GMT -6
Teague is better than Rose but neither should be the "1" for long stretches of time and neither are the best point guard on the team.
If we were looking to upgrade, I'd want a defensive-oriented guard to pair with whoever is on the court with Rose or Teague. If we trade Teague, I'd probably want a 1 who can D up as part of either a Teague *or* Butler trade in a perfect world.
I still think the best guard pairings on this roster are Teague-Okogie and Jones-Wiggins but if we were to move both Butler and Teague, and shift Wiggins to the 3 as a result, I'd want a defensive point guard somewhere in the return (or available to sign in a hurry).
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Post by tjstyles on Nov 2, 2018 13:46:48 GMT -6
I was not taking a shot at you. My last post was basically, "people will use this single good game to justify drastic decisions". I have been one of the more vocal people against the Rubio for Teague "trade", and I am not a big fan of Teague in the context of the Timberwolves even without factoring Rubio in. But, Teague is significantly better for the team than Rose. One good game does not make Rose a star player again. Now, it is entirely possible that this is the first game in a long line of great games, and if that is the case, I will admit I was wrong. But, we see this all of the time. Williams is garbage for 2/3s of the season and puts up one decent game and all of the Williams supports get cocky. Then, Williams goes back to being terrible for the rest of the season and we still have to hear about the one game he had. Wiggins is/was the player that was happening for most recently, but it feels like even his supporters have fallen off. I just suspect we will be hearing about Rose's 50 point game for a while, even when he follows it up with a bunch of garbage. While I would not be opposed to trading Teague to open up playing time for Tyus and to show Tyus that we are serious about making him the starter here, I absolutely do not feel that Rose should be any kind of a factor in that decision at all, period. This game should not be cited as reasoning towards any personnel decisions. It is short-sighted, rash, and if Rose is being factored as a significant part the future of this franchise in any way, then people need to be losing their jobs. Any decision made that has the justification of "but we have Rose" is fundamentally flawed. And yes, Thibs is going to do what Thibs wants. That was a very big part of my post that I was referring to with my comment. This game gives Thibs "ammo" when people question Rose still being in the game after shooting poorly and playing out of a game. Thibs will simply point to the 50 point game as some sort of "evidence" that playing Rose big minutes is a good thing. To me, the bottom line is this: if Rose is the second best guard on our team, we are not a playoff team in the Western Conference. We are not likely a playoff team in the Eastern Conference. I don't think we are a playoff team period...as long as Jimmy is around. I just want Teague gone, not because I hate him or believe he is terrible, I just don't think he helps with the team going forward. I look at Rose/50 points as maybe a way to make this happen. This only happens if Jimmy is traded of course. I still look at it from the viewpoint that Thibs is going to play Rose early in the game, late in the game, every game no matter what. 50 points or 2 points. Maybe 50 points will help instead of hurt. Fair enough, but every shot Rose takes is a shot Towns doesn't take. I don't see how 50 points from Rose helps us, because the same shots from Towns would have been 55-60 points and two opposing bigs fouled out of the game. That is my point. The better Rose does, the less resistance Thibs has to playing him. Thibs will play him no matter what, I agree. But, if he is shooting 30% from the field and actively losing us games, there's a better chance Thibs loses his job for that decision. If Rose is putting up 50 points every game, Thibs gets to laugh in everybody's face. Would I like to see Teague gone? Sure. But Thibs is the one I really want out of here. Rose's success helps support Thibs. And, it continues to distance Towns from the Wolves. Again, I will say that if this is the start of Rose getting back into NBA form, then good for Rose. But, I will stand by the statement that Rose does not get Towns involved, and getting Towns the ball is the number 1 most valuable thing for this team. Rose does not do that, so I do not want Rose on the floor, 50 point games or not. It's why I have never been a fan of Teague, why I miss Rubio and why I am no longer a fan of Butler. And decision that isn't maximizing Towns' output on the floor is a bad decision.
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Post by XRaySpecs on Nov 2, 2018 17:06:06 GMT -6
I don't think we are a playoff team period...as long as Jimmy is around. I just want Teague gone, not because I hate him or believe he is terrible, I just don't think he helps with the team going forward. I look at Rose/50 points as maybe a way to make this happen. This only happens if Jimmy is traded of course. I still look at it from the viewpoint that Thibs is going to play Rose early in the game, late in the game, every game no matter what. 50 points or 2 points. Maybe 50 points will help instead of hurt. Fair enough, but every shot Rose takes is a shot Towns doesn't take. I don't see how 50 points from Rose helps us, because the same shots from Towns would have been 55-60 points and two opposing bigs fouled out of the game. That is my point. The better Rose does, the less resistance Thibs has to playing him. Thibs will play him no matter what, I agree. But, if he is shooting 30% from the field and actively losing us games, there's a better chance Thibs loses his job for that decision. If Rose is putting up 50 points every game, Thibs gets to laugh in everybody's face. Would I like to see Teague gone? Sure. But Thibs is the one I really want out of here. Rose's success helps support Thibs. And, it continues to distance Towns from the Wolves. Again, I will say that if this is the start of Rose getting back into NBA form, then good for Rose. But, I will stand by the statement that Rose does not get Towns involved, and getting Towns the ball is the number 1 most valuable thing for this team. Rose does not do that, so I do not want Rose on the floor, 50 point games or not. It's why I have never been a fan of Teague, why I miss Rubio and why I am no longer a fan of Butler. And decision that isn't maximizing Towns' output on the floor is a bad decision. You're definitely on the right track. At best, I think we could see Rose putting up similar #s to what he did a couple of years ago in NY when he averaged 18 ppg on 47% shooting. That was a 31 win team. Rose just isn't a complementary player in any shape or form. When Rose plays, the nature of his game means the game will revolve around him.
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Post by Nick K on Nov 2, 2018 18:41:57 GMT -6
Fair enough, but every shot Rose takes is a shot Towns doesn't take. I don't see how 50 points from Rose helps us, because the same shots from Towns would have been 55-60 points and two opposing bigs fouled out of the game. That is my point. The better Rose does, the less resistance Thibs has to playing him. Thibs will play him no matter what, I agree. But, if he is shooting 30% from the field and actively losing us games, there's a better chance Thibs loses his job for that decision. If Rose is putting up 50 points every game, Thibs gets to laugh in everybody's face. Would I like to see Teague gone? Sure. But Thibs is the one I really want out of here. Rose's success helps support Thibs. And, it continues to distance Towns from the Wolves. Again, I will say that if this is the start of Rose getting back into NBA form, then good for Rose. But, I will stand by the statement that Rose does not get Towns involved, and getting Towns the ball is the number 1 most valuable thing for this team. Rose does not do that, so I do not want Rose on the floor, 50 point games or not. It's why I have never been a fan of Teague, why I miss Rubio and why I am no longer a fan of Butler. And decision that isn't maximizing Towns' output on the floor is a bad decision. You're definitely on the right track. At best, I think we could see Rose putting up similar #s to what he did a couple of years ago in NY when he averaged 18 ppg on 47% shooting. That was a 31 win team. Rose just isn't a complementary player in any shape or form. When Rose plays, the nature of his game means the game will revolve around him. And that's why he's wrong for us! Now if we can muzzle him, give Wigs and Towns theirs first, and keep Rose as a 3rd or 4th option, that might work.
My issue is Rose more than likely can't play any other way. The world revolves around him.
That said, I have nothing personal against him. He seems like a good guy with a little humble in him. I like that.
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Post by boognish on Nov 4, 2018 9:59:54 GMT -6
And Rose is hurt again. End of discussion. Teague is the best PG on this team, and I hope he gets healthy soon.
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