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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 15:15:14 GMT -6
Helped dig the hole, but would not have come back without him!
The Dobberman Pinscher!
Keep it out of Younghoe Coo’s hands!
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Post by levine on Nov 5, 2023 15:17:05 GMT -6
Highest scoring game of the year and without Captain Kirk, but a guy who has been a Viking for 15 minutes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 15:18:29 GMT -6
Really gutsy impressive win.
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Post by levine on Nov 5, 2023 15:53:04 GMT -6
And that 31 was against the #6 defense in the league, on the road and without our best WR and O-Lineman.
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Post by levine on Nov 5, 2023 17:17:17 GMT -6
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Post by levine on Nov 5, 2023 17:47:07 GMT -6
This is unbelievable.
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Post by Nick K on Nov 5, 2023 22:15:52 GMT -6
And that 31 was against the #6 defense in the league, on the road and without our best WR and O-Lineman. Who would have thunk it?
Someone after the game wanted to give credit to the HC. EH? Dobbs made plays on his own and Addison and Hockenson caught the ball. Amazing! Dobbs has to learn to protect the ball better but what a difference a mobile QB can make. It can be such a weapon.
It looks like Cam Akers blew an achilles. That's a big loss. He looked good. What's all the achilles injuries? Aaron Rogers, Kirk Cousins and now Akers.
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Post by Nick K on Nov 5, 2023 22:18:07 GMT -6
WOW! Get outa here. That's amazing.
Who is Kirk Cousins?
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Post by stretcharmstrong on Nov 6, 2023 11:35:15 GMT -6
Hall had some issues in the passing game.
Dobbs did not even know players names nor really worked with players. He made some right reads and other times he did not. I hope he improves as he gets in training more with the team. He still has a fumble issue that has to be cleared up.
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Post by levine on Nov 6, 2023 11:46:54 GMT -6
Hall had some issues in the passing game. Dobbs did not even know players names nor really worked with players. He made some right reads and other times he did not. I hope he improves as he gets in training more with the team. He still has a fumble issue that has to be cleared up. The first one he hit his Lineman. Not unexpected since he had no idea where they'd be.
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Post by levine on Nov 6, 2023 13:15:07 GMT -6
Outstanding article on Dobbs at The Athletic today. Hits a lot of the talking points we've all seen, but a lot more depth. Josh Dobbs lifts Vikings in thrilling victory over Falcons mere days after arrivalHall participated in all of the first-team reps in practice. He met frequently with quarterbacks coach Chris O’Hara. Minnesota believed he could manage the operation, and Hall was off to a promising start before his head bounced off the turf on a tackle by Falcons cornerback Jeff Okudah on the second drive of the game. Dobbs observed the hit and initially worried for his new teammate. Realizing the severity, he stood and began to throw. He circled up with the Vikings offensive linemen to go over their five most oft-used cadences. He practiced snaps with Bradbury for the first time. He reviewed some of the Vikings’ priority play calls with O’Hara. Time blurred, and before he knew it, he was on the field, shrugging off tacklers, escaping pockets and listening to Kevin O’Connell map out plays in his ear. Through the crackling microphones, O’Connell described how Dobbs needed to drop back, where the primary reads were going to be, which routes would be happening on the left and which routes receivers would be running on the right. In fact, Dobbs said, the coach was using language that Dobbs had become accustomed to in previous systems to translate into what was necessary Sunday. “It’s like if you were taking AP Spanish all year and you showed up and on Wednesday somebody said you had an AP French exam on Sunday,” Dobbs said. “Somebody is going to talk to you in Spanish and translate it to the French. That’s kinda what was going on out there.” ***** No matter what was happening around him — safeties, fumbles, defensive breakdowns — Dobbs wasn’t shaken. He had been sacked before. He had turned the ball over before. He had been traded before. He had also engineered game-winning drives before, including one that will live forever in Tennessee lore when he completed a 43-yard Hail Mary to Jauan Jennings to win at Georgia in 2016. Facing a fourth-and-7 Sunday, with the pocket collapsing, Dobbs teleported his way through the bodies and scampered for a first down. And then, in the red zone, with O’Connell feeding him information in his helmet about the Falcons’ tendency to play Cover 4 in the red zone, Dobbs shifted his eyes to the right, then found wide receiver Brandon Powell in the end zone for the go-ahead score. Powell spiked the football in celebration. O’Connell fist-pumped aggressively, then spiked his headset in glee. Dobbs flexed, screamed, absorbed the energy of it all. “I know he’s very, very smart,” O’Connell said. “But I can tell you that what he was able to do in five days time was as impressive of what I’ve seen a quarterback do to come here against that defense and find a way.” ***** O’Connell could barely speak at his news conference. His voice sounded like it was made of gravel, strained to the limits by his on-the-fly, in-game install sessions as Dobbs moved from one play to the next. “As you can hear, I (used) this quite a bit,” he said, pointing to his throat. He talked about Dobbs. About the command, about the athleticism, about the efficiency. A local reporter then asked a question about what O’Connell thought it meant to Dobbs to perform like this nearly 30 minutes from where he grew up. “This may surprise you,” O’Connell interjected, “but I just met him a few days ago and I didn’t even know that. You just gave me something to talk to our new quarterback about.” “He’s from Alpharetta High,” the reporter responded. “Well, there you go,” O’Connell said. theathletic.com/5035267/2023/11/06/josh-dobbs-vikings-falcons/
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Post by stretcharmstrong on Nov 13, 2023 9:01:15 GMT -6
The question, which Dobbs is the real one? The one from the 1st half yesterday or the defense adjusting to him in the 2nd half Dobbs? I know conservative play calling and the lack of Hockenson hurt the Offense in the 2nd half. But, they were able to contain him.
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Post by levine on Nov 13, 2023 9:03:40 GMT -6
The playcalling was atrocious in the 2nd half.
We played “not to lose” the entire half.
I swear Mike Zimmer hijacked the booth after halftime.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 11:46:32 GMT -6
Dobbs has been a lot of fun. I think that ability to scramble is extremely helpful, and just another thing d's have to try to stop, given our run game isn't dominant.
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Post by stretcharmstrong on Nov 15, 2023 11:51:11 GMT -6
Dobbs has been a lot of fun. I think that ability to scramble is extremely helpful, and just another thing d's have to try to stop, given our run game isn't dominant. Yes, but I hope he is also learning to be patient with the reads. I watch replays during the game on his runs. Did he miss an open player. For the most part, that has not been the case. I think he still has some issues throwing and timing to players. I'd like to see how he functions with JJ and KOJ back on the filed. Can he read the progressions and make the correct throw. Not saying he is not, but t is a bigger challenge.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2023 12:01:01 GMT -6
The combo of his scrambling ability, mixed in with JJ, Addison, and Hockenson makes up for a less than dominant run game. Reminds me of when Case Keenum stepped in, I believe the Minnesota Miracle season?
I'm not as in the weeds with football, so sometimes, probably just enjoy it more because of that, but my non NFL expert take is, I think you still have to have some run game. If you're an offensive lineman, I feel like it is much more difficult to protect a pass all game, than it is to block for runs, where you're dictating the play. Even if our run game isn't great, it seems like it would be beneficial to mix it up maybe a tad more than we have. And I was very down on Zim for playing it too safe, not airing it out enough, but would be nice to not be reliant on broken scrambles and such.
And maybe that's not true, maybe offensive lineman prefer pass blocking altogether, but just seems like that would be harder to do all game.
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Post by stretcharmstrong on Nov 20, 2023 8:22:12 GMT -6
Last nights game showed Dobbs has some problems in his game. He is not an accurate passer. He holds the ball way too long. He has a fumbling issue (3 in the game, 1 lost). And sometimes his pocket movement leads to more pressure, not less as he moves away from blockers. He also melted under pressure yesterday instead of making the needed plays to win.
Not sure that he is a starter in the league. He makes some nice plays and maybe he can develop. But, I would not count on him being a future starter in place of Cousins.
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Post by levine on Nov 20, 2023 9:12:38 GMT -6
The pass blocking took a major step back last night. Didn’t help that Bradbury hit himself in the taint with two snaps.
I wonder if Dobbs was a bit concussed after that first dirty helmet to helmet hit that wasn’t called.
KOC continues to turtle when things get tight. How do you go for it on 4th down twice on a drive and then play for a FG?
Flores called a great game until the end. Payton had the perfect counter plays on their TD drive and Flores had no idea what to do.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2023 12:44:35 GMT -6
Honestly there were times last night I thought Bronco's d was the best team we've faced all season.
Pass blocking was atrocious last night. Maybe KOC has more access to different things with Captain Kirk, but hard to see how that would have mattered last night given the pressure. Maybe d changes some with the threat of Kirk's deep ball, but what I watched last night just seems like he's getting creamed last night anyway.
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Post by levine on Nov 20, 2023 13:00:50 GMT -6
Honestly there were times last night I thought Bronco's d was the best team we've faced all season. Pass blocking was atrocious last night. Maybe KOC has more access to different things with Captain Kirk, but hard to see how that would have mattered last night given the pressure. Maybe d changes some with the threat of Kirk's deep ball, but what I watched last night just seems like he's getting creamed last night anyway. Kirk probably takes 6 sacks last night. And he probably throws at least one Pick 6 because of how quickly he bails on letting plays develop and opts for the short sideline throw.
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Post by levine on Nov 20, 2023 13:07:21 GMT -6
I don't want to judge Dobbs too harshly on last night. His fumble on the first drive was the result of a blatant dirty hit that went uncalled. And his INT was directly caused by Chandler completely missing his block.
But even with that, Denver had made top QBs look like crap the previous 2 weeks.
MIN: Dobbs: 221 Passing Yards, 1 TD, 1 INT. 1 Rushing TD, 1 Lost Fumble. BUF: Allen: 177 Passing Yards, 1 TD, 2 INT. 1 Rushing TD, 1 Lost Fumble. KC: Mahomes: 240 Passing Yards, 0 TD, 2 INT. 0 Rushing TD, 1 Lost Fumble.
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Post by levine on Nov 20, 2023 18:46:33 GMT -6
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Post by stretcharmstrong on Nov 21, 2023 13:09:46 GMT -6
One of the issues with Dobbs is he holds the ball way too long. He seems to only pass to wide open WR. That does make blocking difficult. When he does move, it negates blocking that is there. The biggest difference I have seen is that Dobbs cannot get a ball for a contested WR catch or timing to a WR. Maybe he is not reading the routes or the field. But, Cousins is able to do that routinely.
Teams have figured out, Dobbs is not a good pocket passer and it shows.
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Post by levine on Nov 21, 2023 13:32:17 GMT -6
One of the issues with Dobbs is he holds the ball way too long. He seems to only pass to wide open WR. That does make blocking difficult. When he does move, it negates blocking that is there. The biggest difference I have seen is that Dobbs cannot get a ball for a contested WR catch or timing to a WR. Maybe he is not reading the routes or the field. But, Cousins is able to do that routinely. Teams have figured out, Dobbs is not a good pocket passer and it shows. Maybe he's only thrown the ball to Hock before 2 weeks ago and he still doesn't have that much chemistry with the other guys? I don't think Dobbs is the long-term answer, but he's a much better solution for a "bridge QB" next year than Cousins.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2023 15:22:20 GMT -6
Maybe he is not reading the routes or the field. But, Cousins is able to do that routinely. Not as well versed in NFL as the Association, but it's pretty unfair to compare someone who's been there three weeks, compared to a full year let alone training camp. Cousins has been much better under KOC. I recall a couple years ago there was a meme, Cousins with red glowing eyes, when he discovered the check down, and he finished the season strong Zim's last year. Would Cousins have a more complete catalog of KOC's offense of course, but I do think Dobbs, Jefferson, Hockenson, Addison, maybe some plays with Chandler is pretty lethal once up to speed, which is probably a lot to ask for this year.
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