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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2023 6:31:22 GMT -6
Obviously NBA does all the time, if our O line is an issue again, Cousins is going to have a long year.
Are Jets in a big enough pinch they might flip broken Rogers for Cousins and include a pick? Not as privy to NFL dealings.
Could be a good year for Vikings to reset, get some young guys around Jefferson if Cousins is gone after this year anyway.
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Post by stretcharmstrong on Sept 26, 2023 11:12:35 GMT -6
Jets cannot flip for Cousins. 1) he has a no trade clause. 2) A #1 pick would be needed for 2024, they cannot trade it.
Should they tank? The problem is it becomes a hard sell to keep a player like Jefferson if you do so.
What the team needs to do is jettison KOC and Kwesi at this point.
2 drafts and you have Addison to show for it. 2022 was probably the worst drafting by the team ever. Because not only did they draft busts, they passed on players who would have made a huge difference on the team. The 2022 draft fiasco set this team back in a huge way. That was 2 starters on defense at a minimum that were passed up to trade down.
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Post by Nick K on Oct 3, 2023 11:32:25 GMT -6
Jets cannot flip for Cousins. 1) he has a no trade clause. 2) A #1 pick would be needed for 2024, they cannot trade it. Should they tank? The problem is it becomes a hard sell to keep a player like Jefferson if you do so. What the team needs to do is jettison KOC and Kwesi at this point. 2 drafts and you have Addison to show for it. 2022 was probably the worst drafting by the team ever. Because not only did they draft busts, they passed on players who would have made a huge difference on the team. The 2022 draft fiasco set this team back in a huge way. That was 2 starters on defense at a minimum that were passed up to trade down. I think KOC is fine but I totally agree with everything else you said. Kwesi is out of his league. It takes no skill to draft Jefferson or even Addison. They were can't miss but the other guys have been questionable. Trading down from 12 to 32 for Lewis Cine when they could have had a stud OL or DL is a killer. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2023 13:02:58 GMT -6
I think they should spend the next five drafts on O line and d. Much sturdier than overpaying skill positions. Cousins is fine, but he is less fine with a very weak o line.
Def don't follow the NFL as much, so maybe this isn't correct, but that's what I'd do at this point.
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Post by stretcharmstrong on Oct 4, 2023 6:29:15 GMT -6
Yes, they really need to invest in the lines. You do not have to follow the NFL for that basic understanding that everything flows from how the lines function.
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Post by levine on Oct 4, 2023 11:25:06 GMT -6
Jets cannot flip for Cousins. 1) he has a no trade clause. 2) A #1 pick would be needed for 2024, they cannot trade it. Should they tank? The problem is it becomes a hard sell to keep a player like Jefferson if you do so. What the team needs to do is jettison KOC and Kwesi at this point. 2 drafts and you have Addison to show for it. 2022 was probably the worst drafting by the team ever. Because not only did they draft busts, they passed on players who would have made a huge difference on the team. The 2022 draft fiasco set this team back in a huge way. That was 2 starters on defense at a minimum that were passed up to trade down. but I totally agree with everything else you said. Kwesi is out of his league. It takes no skill to draft Jefferson or even Addison. They were can't miss but the other guys have been questionable. Trading down from 12 to 32 for Lewis Cine when they could have had a stud OL or DL is a killer. He has a lot to prove as a 1st time playcaller. So far the results haven't been great, and I'm always a bit leery of HCs that try to do too much before they're ready. And his clock management is Zimmer-level atrocious. |
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Post by Nick K on Oct 4, 2023 16:40:38 GMT -6
I think KOC is fine but I totally agree with everything else you said. Kwesi is out of his league. It takes no skill to draft Jefferson or even Addison. They were can't miss but the other guys have been questionable. Trading down from 12 to 32 for Lewis Cine when they could have had a stud OL or DL is a killer. He has a lot to prove as a 1st time playcaller. So far the results haven't been great, and I'm always a bit leery of HCs that try to do too much before they're ready. And his clock management is Zimmer-level atrocious. Granted, I'm giving KOC the benefit of the doubt. I like how he handled all those come back wins last year. This year our lack of talent has come back to bite us. It's tough going when you can't protect your QB. Especially when Cousins is slow of foot and isn't evasive.
I do agree on the play calling. I question KOCs play calling when our QB is running for his life. I'd like to see much more play-action, roll outs to the right and throw, and 3 step drops and quick 7 yard passes on rhythm. You have to buy Cousins some time some how.
Kwesi hasn't shown me a thing. You build a team QB then OL, then DL. Inside out. Darrisaw is the only Vikes lineman I'm proud to have. Brian O'Neill at RT is just OK and the rest are marginal to poor at best. The D line is no better. No wonder they have to blitz all the time and are paying the price.
He's not nearly as bad as Zimmer late in games. Zimmer was the all-time worst bar none. But KOC has plenty of room to improve.
If they lose a couple more, this season is done. Cousins is a FA so I'd trade him if I could. We need the assets.
I'll bet Vegas is crazy for the Raiders. LV deserves a team so I'm glad they got them. Oakland is a cesspool anyhow.
I'm writing this with the Twins winning in the 6th inning. How about that? Royce Lewis, Kirillof, M Taylor and Wallner have got me a little excited. It's fun to sit down and watch a baseball game again thinking you have a chance to win.
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Post by levine on Oct 4, 2023 17:16:20 GMT -6
Cousins is a FA so I'd trade him if I could. We need the assets. No trade clause. The only way he's agreeing to be traded is if his new team backs up the brinks truck with a massive extension. |
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Post by Nick K on Oct 5, 2023 9:44:17 GMT -6
Cousins is a FA so I'd trade him if I could. We need the assets. No trade clause. The only way he's agreeing to be traded is if his new team backs up the brinks truck with a massive extension. What do you think of Kwesi? |
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Post by levine on Oct 5, 2023 10:55:07 GMT -6
No trade clause. The only way he's agreeing to be traded is if his new team backs up the brinks truck with a massive extension. What do you think of Kwesi? I think he's so far in over his head he has no idea which way is up. |
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Post by levine on Oct 8, 2023 14:42:46 GMT -6
At this point the turnovers are NOT a fluke.
We do not value the ball. That starts with the head coach.
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Post by levine on Oct 8, 2023 16:59:22 GMT -6
Zimmer-esque use of our timeout today…
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Post by Nick K on Oct 9, 2023 3:24:45 GMT -6
At this point the turnovers are NOT a fluke. We do not value the ball. That starts with the head coach.Yes it does I'm sorry to say.
Our 17 million dollar TE can't catch a football and no offensive line or defensive line either. We just don't have much talent overall. |
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Post by Nick K on Oct 9, 2023 3:26:44 GMT -6
Zimmer-esque use of our timeout today… Just atrocious. |
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Post by levine on Oct 9, 2023 10:55:18 GMT -6
I want to like KOC. The players all seem to really like him and he appears to be a good guy.
But he's not ready for this. His in-game management is not good and his play calling is pedestrian, predictable and a poor use of our talents.
He's a more likable John DeFilippo.
It looks like Kwesi's first big mistake was not hiring Harbaugh (who thought he had the job!)
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Post by stretcharmstrong on Oct 9, 2023 15:48:46 GMT -6
The O-line has improved. We still get melt downs from Cleveland and Ingram, like the last play of yesterdays game. Ingram gave up on pass blocking and gave up a sack.
KOC, I am no longer sold on. The game management yesterday was one of the worst I've seen with using 2 time outs in the 3rd, one on a very questionable challenge.
There are other things, like going long and medium passes too much. Not getting players not named Jefferson involved in the passing game. He totally forgets the running game, even when it is working.
Then you have Kwesi, he totally blew the 2022 draft and set the team back years because of it. He has made some other bad choices as well in FA.
I get it the team had little to no cap room. But, where the money was spent has not helped the team. He needed to bring in players for the Secondary not two TE's in Oliver and Hockenson. He needed a RB who was a threat to go more than 3 yards on a play like Mattison. We also could have used LB's who could cover in the passing game.
So when we suck as we have and you know the next draft is critical, I have zero faith in Kwesi to pick the right players and have a clear plan of improving the team.
Our luck is we are in the top 5 and he picks the wrong player.
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Post by Nick K on Oct 10, 2023 9:17:02 GMT -6
J Jefferson out for 4 weeks with a hamstring. Just what we need. Addison has to step up. He's good enough to do it.
Now if we could only give Cousins time to throw.
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Post by levine on Oct 10, 2023 9:38:55 GMT -6
Cousins has time.
For the most part out O-Line has been really solid in pass protection - barring a few blown plays here and there that stand out.
But Cousins still has no pocket awareness, holds the ball far too long, has never shown an ability to slide around in the pocket and has lost any “speed” he once had.
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Post by levine on Oct 10, 2023 9:40:26 GMT -6
I hope Addison can hold up to the increased duties.
He’s been terrific, but he’s so small/slight. If we start getting him the ball in traffic (or asking him to “block”), he may join JJ on the IR.
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Post by stretcharmstrong on Oct 10, 2023 13:52:28 GMT -6
Well, I think it puts a cap on the season having no Jefferson for 4 or more games.
It is just a really bad season.
At this point, you have to see what Addison can bring to the table. KJO has shown he drops passes way too often.
You have to see what Mattison, Akers and Chandler can do in the running game. The team has to become more run oriented without Jefferson.
Then you hope your draft position is high enough to get the top Defensive talent in the 1st and 2nd rounds, so you have to be out of reach of the top QB talent.
Unfortunately, this will give more time to Kwesi and KOC to be making decisions. They have an excuse for another year.
The off-season the team has to retain Cousin or find some way to get Baker Mayfield.
Yes, the team needs a Veteran QB not a rookie.
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Post by levine on Oct 10, 2023 14:02:05 GMT -6
Well, I think it puts a cap on the season having no Jefferson for 4 or more games. It is just a really bad season. At this point, you have to see what Addison can bring to the table. KJO has shown he drops passes way too often. You have to see what Mattison, Akers and Chandler can do in the running game. The team has to become more run oriented without Jefferson. Then you hope your draft position is high enough to get the top Defensive talent in the 1st and 2nd rounds, so you have to be out of reach of the top QB talent. Unfortunately, this will give more time to Kwesi and KOC to be making decisions. They have an excuse for another year. The off-season the team has to retain Cousin or find some way to get Baker Mayfield. Yes, the team needs a Veteran QB not a rookie. Hard disagree. This team is far from contending and the idea of a "competitive rebuild" has done nothing but set us back years. in hindsight, last season's fluke victory total was the worst thing that could've happened. Cousins is gone. If he was in the plans he'd have already signed an extension and Mayfield is a bandaid that is barely clinging onto a wound. We need to find "the guy" to lead this team. Sadly, its unlikely we get the first pick, so Caleb is out of the question, but its looking like the strongest QB draft in years. I just wish we had someone other than Kwesi making the pick... |
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Post by Bonecrusher on Oct 11, 2023 13:17:10 GMT -6
Well, I think it puts a cap on the season having no Jefferson for 4 or more games. It is just a really bad season. At this point, you have to see what Addison can bring to the table. KJO has shown he drops passes way too often. You have to see what Mattison, Akers and Chandler can do in the running game. The team has to become more run oriented without Jefferson. Then you hope your draft position is high enough to get the top Defensive talent in the 1st and 2nd rounds, so you have to be out of reach of the top QB talent. Unfortunately, this will give more time to Kwesi and KOC to be making decisions. They have an excuse for another year. The off-season the team has to retain Cousin or find some way to get Baker Mayfield. Yes, the team needs a Veteran QB not a rookie. Hard disagree. This team is far from contending and the idea of a "competitive rebuild" has done nothing but set us back years. in hindsight, last season's fluke victory total was the worst thing that could've happened. Cousins is gone. If he was in the plans he'd have already signed an extension and Mayfield is a bandaid that is barely clinging onto a wound. We need to find "the guy" to lead this team. Sadly, its unlikely we get the first pick, so Caleb is out of the question, but its looking like the strongest QB draft in years. I just wish we had someone other than Kwesi making the pick...That is the worst decision the team has made in recent years. So far in over his head he's ordering Chinese food from China because he's the other side of the planet. |
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Post by stretcharmstrong on Oct 16, 2023 6:56:45 GMT -6
Seeing that the only teams we have beaten are set to draft 1 and 2..... we are out of the Caleb sweeps. That may end up a good thing in the long run.
There are other QB's to take, who may have just as much potential.
The issue with going for a rookie QB, the player may suck, setting your team into a cycle of looking for the right one. The last time there was a stellar QB crop, most of them are not looking good in the NFL.
And you will have to realize with a rookie QB, Jefferson will be gone. The team would have to trade him in the off-season. That may help the team stockpile picks to get us to a better place.
A lot of people assume, if we just did not have Cousins, the team would be fixed. The reality is, it is more likely you go into a tail spin of looking for a QB replacement.
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Post by levine on Oct 16, 2023 13:06:57 GMT -6
Any QB is going to be a risk unless a team somehow trades us a young stud.
But its the most important position in all of sports. You need to be aggressive.
The Vikings have spent decades with stop-gap guys and its gotten us nowhere.
I also strongly disagree that drafting a QB means JJ is gone. It all depends on the QB. The days of a QB sitting for 2 years and finally getting it in his 3rd or 4th are long gone. The game has changed. Hurts and Mahomes made the SB in their 3rd year. Burrow in his 2nd.
If we replace the mediocre Cousins with a mediocre vet like Mayfield, JJ is just as likely to want out.
You also really can't base your roster around a WR, no matter how good he is.
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Post by stretcharmstrong on Oct 18, 2023 11:45:58 GMT -6
Williams is burning some bridges, I hope we are not in the sweeps for him. Asking for any team who drafts him to give him partial team ownership. It is not possible in the CBA but it speaks volumes about the player.
Yes a new QB you can expect years of development, that is why a player like JJ may say he wants out.
Throw in a coach who does not seem to have a good feel for play calling and a pretty bad GM.....
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