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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2023 18:50:10 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2023 18:55:27 GMT -6
Dobbs is probably done, but why can't our offensive line protect him these last two weeks?
Don't think that's on Dobbs, or KOC, but I also don't know, does that change for Mullins?
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Post by levine on Nov 28, 2023 23:04:16 GMT -6
Just start Hall the rest of the way and see what he has.
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Post by stretcharmstrong on Nov 29, 2023 13:08:33 GMT -6
Dobbs is probably done, but why can't our offensive line protect him these last two weeks? Don't think that's on Dobbs, or KOC, but I also don't know, does that change for Mullins? Some of the issue is Dobbs, he holds the ball way too long. Second, there is probably a weakness that was exposed by a team and it is being exploited. I think it was the GB game where the defense started lining up wider and produced more pressure. And as with other mobile QB's, something just seems to happen with pass blocking when you have one. Maybe the O-line is less worried about blocking or something like that. But, yeah Dobbs era is done. His weaknesses are pretty evident at this point. His ability to pass accurately just sucks. Two huge plays in the game where Dobbs just could not pass it accurately hurt. The 4th down play to TJH, all because of a high and inaccurate pass what should have been a 1st down was not. The long pass play to a very wide open Addison in the 2nd half. That play was an easy TD. He just had to get the ball to the middle of the field. Instead, he threw it short and out of bounds. Addison almost made the catch in bounds, but that was an extremely difficult catch, he was one foot away. But, it should have been thrown to the Middle of the field. Dobbs had time, no reason for being that far off.
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Post by stretcharmstrong on Nov 29, 2023 13:10:10 GMT -6
And it was all for nothing because Dobbs made a mistake with a forward pass. Even if they scored, it did not matter. Just another mistake by Dobbs in the game.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2023 14:00:11 GMT -6
Some of the issue is Dobbs, he holds the ball way too long. Second, there is probably a weakness that was exposed by a team and it is being exploited. I think it was the GB game where the defense started lining up wider and produced more pressure. And as with other mobile QB's, something just seems to happen with pass blocking when you have one. Maybe the O-line is less worried about blocking or something like that. But, yeah Dobbs era is done. His weaknesses are pretty evident at this point. His ability to pass accurately just sucks. Two huge plays in the game where Dobbs just could not pass it accurately hurt. The 4th down play to TJH, all because of a high and inaccurate pass what should have been a 1st down was not. The long pass play to a very wide open Addison in the 2nd half. That play was an easy TD. He just had to get the ball to the middle of the field. Instead, he threw it short and out of bounds. Addison almost made the catch in bounds, but that was an extremely difficult catch, he was one foot away. But, it should have been thrown to the Middle of the field. Dobbs had time, no reason for being that far off. Agree that Addison throw was a duck that should have been six. To me regardless of QB it is still very worrisome the Bears and Broncos look like they've totally dominated our line. That young guy had a nice drive in that Falcons game, either way, probably a good time to have a bye if there ever was one, though our playoff hopes are dwindling. I have not preference either way, but probably makes since to give the young guy you drafted a look, unless you know that's not a long term thing, then maybe give Mullens a crack last three games or so.
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Post by stretcharmstrong on Dec 4, 2023 9:32:25 GMT -6
Yeah, I don't know who should start other than, it cannot be Dobbs again. We may see really quick with Hall the exact same thing. The scouting on Hall was he only had to read one side of the field in college. That does not work in the NFL. Dobbs first INT, could have been possibly avoided by seeing two other single covered players who were open and a less dangerous pass. Even looking to the 2nd or 3rd in the progression may have frozen the over the top help.
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Post by stretcharmstrong on Dec 6, 2023 14:22:51 GMT -6
AArgh....... Dobbs to start again. How bad do Hall and Mullins have to be? Oh gracious......
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Post by levine on Dec 6, 2023 14:59:31 GMT -6
Mullins gives you all the turnovers of Dobbs, but with zero upside.
Hall is a 5th round rookie that was no where near pro ready.
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Post by stretcharmstrong on Dec 8, 2023 13:49:21 GMT -6
Dobbs gives you nearly 3 turnovers a game, no Mullins is not that bad. Dobbs has zero accuracy throwing passes.
But, my point is Mullins and Hall have to not be performing well in practice if they are sticking to Dobbs after the Chicago game.
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Post by tmill720 on Dec 11, 2023 14:05:50 GMT -6
Gotta be Mullens next week right? Would still be curious about Hall but they must feel he's not ready for primetime
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Post by levine on Dec 11, 2023 14:10:21 GMT -6
Maybe not the greatest game for my first live game in 20 years...
Thoughts:
Vikings fans outnumbered Raiders fans 3 to 1. Easily. There were probably 20,000 fans walking down Hacienda Ave to the game and it was a sea of purple.
That said, Vegas Raiders fans are cool. They were loud and they cheered, but they were always respectful and good to talk to.
The Stadium is boring as hell. Its cool enough outside, but inside it might as well be the Metrodome with a better screen. No character at all, nothing interesting. And speaking of the screen, they almost never show replays. Its always showing people in the crowd. Its frustrating.
The game:
KOC has turned Dobbs into the worst version of himself. He's coached all the "sandlot" out of him and tried to make him into a pocket passer. You can literally see him thinking about what to do instead of just doing it. And with his horrible accuracy, there is no chance that works. I think we had single digit passing yards going into the 4th. I really want to root for him, but he's closer to Joe Webb than to a QB.
Our O-Line looked like swiss cheese. Even before the injuries, they were getting killed. They're regressing by the week from 'damn solid" to "exactly what we feared they'd be".
Addison can NOT beat a jam at the line. It eliminates him from the play immediately. I was watching him a lot and he really struggled to get open. I can't remember any plays we missed by not targeting him.
KJ is exactly who I've been saying he is. Dude can not catch a contested ball to save his life. Was it 4 drops? Powell is WAY better than he is.
Defense was mostly great, but I think the Raiders left a lot on the field. They looked every part of the bottom 3 offense that they are.
Another Delay of Game coming out of a Time Out we called. I still think KOC is in over his head as a first time HC and first time playcaller.
I wouldn't can KOC after this year, but if we're forced to make a choice between him and losing Flores, I give the job to Flores. We can not have another Dungy/Tomlin situatuation.
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Post by stretcharmstrong on Dec 12, 2023 13:15:34 GMT -6
Dobbs is horrid, it is not KOC. He cannot read the field, he holds the ball way too long and it seems like he is not able to adjust the block assignments at the line. How can you get a player to make a decision in 2-3 seconds? IT rarely happened with Dobbs. He was looking for wide open WR. He almost had two picks in the first 5 throws of the game, he got lucky. So what we learned is Dobbs is fine getting the ball near a WR if they are open. But he cannot time a route or put it into tight situations. When he ran or scrambled players would be open and he would be off target.
When Mullens came in, you saw the exact opposite. Blockers were actually suddenly blocking again. Passes were made to players and we scored. Yes, I think Dobbs was a big part of the issue. Mullens had 2 series and produced more than Dobbs had all game.
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Post by levine on Dec 12, 2023 13:48:18 GMT -6
Mullens had 2 series and produced more than Dobbs had all game. They both produced 1 FGA. Mullens best play was on a ball the defense tipped. We run a timing offense. Its the worst possible offense for a guy like Dobbs. That's why he's gotten worse each week. The more he integrates into KOC's offense, the more unnatural everything is for him. He's a sandlot player. He's never going to have great success in the NFL, but his only chance is to muck the game up like he did his first 2 weeks. Mullens is better suited for a timing offense, but unfortunately he's terrible.
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Post by stretcharmstrong on Dec 15, 2023 9:21:19 GMT -6
Mullens had 2 series and produced more than Dobbs had all game. They both produced 1 FGA. Mullens best play was on a ball the defense tipped. We run a timing offense. Its the worst possible offense for a guy like Dobbs. That's why he's gotten worse each week. The more he integrates into KOC's offense, the more unnatural everything is for him. He's a sandlot player. He's never going to have great success in the NFL, but his only chance is to muck the game up like he did his first 2 weeks. Mullens is better suited for a timing offense, but unfortunately he's terrible. Mullens produced TWO drives that would result in a score, Although we only did the one attempt. The second was never made, nor did they try to do anything other than eat up time at that point. Two drives he had the team moved on offense.
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Post by levine on Dec 17, 2023 9:11:27 GMT -6
Mullens is not an NFL QB.
Small, lead footed and has a noodle arm.
2 INTs and a pick 6 called back.
Play Hall the rest of the way. See if there is anything there.
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Post by levine on Dec 18, 2023 11:09:16 GMT -6
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Post by levine on Dec 18, 2023 11:10:09 GMT -6
With Kirk: 20.13 points per game, 4-4
W/O Kirk: 19.17 points per game, 3-3
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Post by levine on Dec 18, 2023 11:15:43 GMT -6
At this point you have to play Hall the rest of the way to see what you have.
There is a zero % chance Mullens wins out, and there is no untapped potential in him. It would be a massive waste of development to stick with him.
Mullens will either be a Viking or out of the league in 3 years.
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Post by levine on Dec 18, 2023 15:19:56 GMT -6
Sigh...
Vikings To Start Nick Mullens In Week 16 December 18th, 2023 at 2:57pm CST by Adam La Rose The Vikings’ playoff prospects took a hit on Saturday, but a quarterback change does not appear to be imminent. Minnesota is expected to stick with Nick Mullens as the starter under center, ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler reports. Head coach Kevin O’Connell has since confirmed the news.
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Post by levine on Dec 24, 2023 12:50:53 GMT -6
Mullens has 1 turnover and probably should have 2-3 more.
Including a dropped gift in the end zone.
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Post by levine on Dec 24, 2023 13:28:42 GMT -6
I have a bigger arm than Mullens.
He literally can not make a pass 20 yards down the middle of the field.
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Post by levine on Dec 24, 2023 15:17:35 GMT -6
Dobbs gives you nearly 3 turnovers a game, no Mullins is not that bad. Dobbs has zero accuracy throwing passes. But, my point is Mullins and Hall have to not be performing well in practice if they are sticking to Dobbs after the Chicago game. 4 picks. 2 Fumbles. He could’ve easily had 7 or 8 turnovers today.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2023 17:01:16 GMT -6
Just a historic Vikings vs Lions game. So often they play down to bad Lions teams, even when they win it feels pretty meh. So much so of all the games these are the ones I'll sometimes skip, but woof. Just a horrific outing.
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Post by levine on Dec 29, 2023 13:01:50 GMT -6
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