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Post by quinn on Jul 13, 2024 11:31:59 GMT -6
He's so bad on offense. Its too bad, because he's so damn bouncy and athletic. He's very lucky Summer League didn't start 2 weeks ago... I don't like the SL format for Minott either as he trys to do to much. He'd function better playing off of established players where his place in the pecking order was more understood. Unfortunately he still doesn't look like he can shoot because the role he should fill is a Jaden McDaniels role offensively. Shoot open 3s and maybe attack a closeout occasionally on a straight line drive. I'll second that with Miller. There was a number of times where it looked like he was trying to do too much. Like he was trying to be more than he was, just like Minott. I think they're both trying to audition for either the Wolves big team or another NBA team, Minott especially. Miller didn't seem like he saw a shot he didn't like. Looked chaotic at times and his shot still has that hitch where he kicks his feet together and then lands wide. It's a very push-heavy shot. Doesn't look like there's a ton of touch. It is a downside to SL that you have guys who try to do too much and it makes them look worse. Don't love giving the green light to guys like that.
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Post by quinn on Jul 13, 2024 11:35:24 GMT -6
Hifi looks great. On defense he plays MUCH bigger than his size. He's just aggressive in every aspect of the game. 5 Assists, 3 Rebounds, 3 Steals, 0 TOs. I thought Hifi and T-Shan were the stars of the game. Hifi did some damage offensively. He made the defense guard him on the perimeter and showed he's got some passing chops too. He's just so small. If he keeps this up I wouldn't be upset if they swapped Clark's 2 way to get him on one. TSJ is just older and more skilled than most of these guys. He's bigger and his athleticism is incredible. I agree with what you said about him, he looks like he's been in the league for a few years. I think he could quickly become someone Finchy describes as "fearless" and find his way into some minutes. I'm excited for him now. He's going to be a fun player. I loved watching him get downhill and get to the line.
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Post by levine on Jul 13, 2024 12:03:41 GMT -6
Very impressed with Dillingham as a PG. 5 AST, 0 TO so far - and it could be close to 10 assists if guys hit shots. He's rushing his jumper, but I think that's because he's so focused on running the team. He'll figure out the balance shortly. Dillingham looked solid as a passer. I really was impressed from that standpoint. From the getgo though, he looked like he was forcing his shot, which may be what he is at this point. I think the NBA game may move somewhat fast for him and there will be a learning curve, especially as a playmaker, but it was encouraging that he looked like he has some decent chops as a PG. Now, about that defense... If he can't defend in the Summer League, I don't know how he's going to keep up in the NBA. That could really limit his ceiling. From Mnem at Canis (coaches kid): Dillingham has terrible defensive technique. He bends at the waist instead of sitting in the chair. His feet cross over. He bounces too close into guys. Takes bad angles to recover when he's beat. Lots of this is teachable and correctable.
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Post by kingsxman on Jul 13, 2024 12:18:34 GMT -6
Dillingham looked solid as a passer. I really was impressed from that standpoint. From the getgo though, he looked like he was forcing his shot, which may be what he is at this point. I think the NBA game may move somewhat fast for him and there will be a learning curve, especially as a playmaker, but it was encouraging that he looked like he has some decent chops as a PG. Now, about that defense... If he can't defend in the Summer League, I don't know how he's going to keep up in the NBA. That could really limit his ceiling. From Mnem at Canis (coaches kid): Dillingham has terrible defensive technique. He bends at the waist instead of sitting in the chair. His feet cross over. He bounces too close into guys. Takes bad angles to recover when he's beat. Lots of this is teachable and correctable. Thats cool. I didnt know she was a coaches kid. Explains why she knows so much about basketball.
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Post by Nick K on Jul 13, 2024 12:45:00 GMT -6
From the Star Tribune
Dillingham not worried about his shot.
The shots weren't falling for the No. 8 pick, Rob Dillingham, who finished with four points on 2-for-12 shooting. Dillingham had an ankle injury through the pre-draft process and was ramping up in workouts and practices over the last month.
He was handling point guard duties for most of the time he was on the floor and said, "My legs, they're just not under me yet, I guess."
He added he wasn't quite so worried about his shot falling. Instead, he's more focused on trying to master the offense and improve on the defensive end of the floor.
"I ain't gonna lie, usually I be mad at myself," Dillingham said. "But it's a new game and I'm known as a scorer, so I'm not worrying about scoring. I feel like all the other things is what I need to be getting good at."
Dillingham was more concerned with setting teammates up, even one point at the expense of his own stats. During a two-on-zero breakaway in the second half, Dillingham could have taken an easy layup but instead passed the ball to Jaylen Clark, who hadn't hit a shot yet, for the layup.
Dillingham's defense was one of the red flags on him in the draft process, but he had some good moments on that end of the floor in the second half, including a steal and block on consecutive possessions, along with forcing a backcourt violation.
"It's not about him scoring," Hines said. "He'll figure that out in his long journey in the NBA. How to score, how to pick his spots. He's super talented. We just have to figure out how to hone that talent in. … [The backcourt violation], that's buying in. That's what we need." ----------------
I love the sound of that. It mens he has his head in the right place. I was so impressed with he and Shannon at their intro presser. Both came off as bright, humble quality guys. Great way to start.
We will be an even better team this year. A great bench will allow the starters to get more rest. I hope Finch goes 10-11 deep early in the season and experiment with some guys to see what they can do. Tighten things up as the season goes on.
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Post by Nick K on Jul 13, 2024 13:25:11 GMT -6
I noticed the Lakeville Mn., Wisconsin Badger player Tyler Wahl has joined the Wolves summer league roster. We should probably see him Sunday at the 4:30pm game. Probably Gopher Gabe Kalscheur too.
He's 6'9" sf/pf who hustles and has some game. We'll see. Curious in how he compares to Minott?
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Post by XRaySpecs on Jul 13, 2024 14:39:37 GMT -6
I noticed the Lakeville Mn., Wisconsin Badger player Tyler Wahl has joined the Wolves summer league roster. We should probably see him Sunday at the 4:30pm game. Probably Gopher Gabe Kalscheur too. He's 6'9" sf/pf who hustles and has some game. We'll see. Curious in how he compares to Minott? I'm skeptical he's a player. He's nowhere near Minott as an athlete so would need to rely on skill. He's not really that skilled though. He's not a stretch 4 at all with no 3 pt shot. He didn't improve over his last 3 years of college (he'll turn 24 this season) so not sure what he is or what he could become.
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Post by Nick K on Jul 13, 2024 20:28:48 GMT -6
I noticed the Lakeville Mn., Wisconsin Badger player Tyler Wahl has joined the Wolves summer league roster. We should probably see him Sunday at the 4:30pm game. Probably Gopher Gabe Kalscheur too. He's 6'9" sf/pf who hustles and has some game. We'll see. Curious in how he compares to Minott? I'm skeptical he's a player. He's nowhere near Minott as an athlete so would need to rely on skill. He's not really that skilled though. He's not a stretch 4 at all with no 3 pt shot. He didn't improve over his last 3 years of college (he'll turn 24 this season) so not sure what he is or what he could become. Maybe you're right. I don't know enough about the guy. He's a local kid so I'm kind of rooting for him. I wish I was impressed by Minott but I'm just not seeing it. Maybe he improves and makes big steps but that would be a big reach at this point.
I can say this about Wahl, he has a better offensive game than Minott and is every bit as good a defender if not better. Not that that is saying a lot.
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Post by tmirvin on Jul 13, 2024 20:33:10 GMT -6
They spent the entire Lakers-Rockets game talking up and about Bronny. Who may have been the worst player on the floor. He literally looked like "What would happen if you gave a camp invite the green light in a Summer League game?" Also, how did Doris Burke go from the best in the business to unlistenable in just a 2-3 years? I never liked Doris, she sounded like she had cotton balls in her lower cheeks all the time. She was probably the most insightful of the non former player turned announcers, but there was just something about the way she talked I didn't care for.
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Post by XRaySpecs on Jul 14, 2024 8:32:56 GMT -6
From Mnem at Canis (coaches kid): Dillingham has terrible defensive technique. He bends at the waist instead of sitting in the chair. His feet cross over. He bounces too close into guys. Takes bad angles to recover when he's beat. Lots of this is teachable and correctable. There may be correctable things in his technique, but he's still a really small guy. Even if he lives in the weight room, I'm not sure he's got the body type to add enough strength/weight to be anything more than below average defensively. He made some off the ball plays in the 2nd half, but that first half was absolutely brutal on plays where they went at him directly. It was a combo of bad technique, poor effort, and lack of strength. I wish I had more confidence that fixing his technique will help, but even when he was somewhat in position, he just bounced off guys. It was rough.
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Post by Nick K on Jul 14, 2024 10:56:43 GMT -6
From Mnem at Canis (coaches kid): Dillingham has terrible defensive technique. He bends at the waist instead of sitting in the chair. His feet cross over. He bounces too close into guys. Takes bad angles to recover when he's beat. Lots of this is teachable and correctable. There may be correctable things in his technique, but he's still a really small guy. Even if he lives in the weight room, I'm not sure he's got the body type to add enough strength/weight to be anything more than below average defensively. He made some off the ball plays in the 2nd half, but that first half was absolutely brutal on plays where they went at him directly. It was a combo of bad technique, poor effort, and lack of strength. I wish I had more confidence that fixing his technique will help, but even when he was somewhat in position, he just bounced off guys. It was rough. I think you should consider he's 19 years old and hasn't filled out fully into a man's body yet. He's 6'1" so I see no issue with him putting on 20 lbs of muscle in the next 3-4 years under teams guidance. His size is the least of my concerns. Allan Iverson was smaller and he played in a much, much tougher era defensively. There are very few perfect NBA players that are A+ on both sides of the ball. Don't expect him to be. His offensive game will far outweigh his defensive shortcomings.
Maybe you see a more effective player today. Give him a fair chance.
BTW, Wolves on today against Indiana at 4:30 pm cst on nba tv and espn+ in case you don't have them. I pay $11.00 a month for espn+ and it is a tremendous sports value for watching streamed sports events. You name the sport and they carry it.
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Post by Nick K on Jul 14, 2024 15:54:19 GMT -6
Dillingham killing it early showing why we took him. 8 pts 4 asts in 6 minutes.
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Post by Nick K on Jul 14, 2024 17:55:48 GMT -6
Get this Clark has a really good game. He was everywhere. 4 of 5 field, 6 steals! 2 boards 1 ast .
TSJ finishes with 19-4 -2, with 3 blks and 2 stls. He had 3 fouls in the first several minutes which didn't help.
Dilly with 14 pts, 8 asts, 2 rebs, 1 blk.
Hifi puts up 18 pts on 5 of 11 shooting. The problem is he's out of control shot machine. He had 0 boards and 0 asts!! He is a black hole with the ball.
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Post by jojo on Jul 14, 2024 18:28:19 GMT -6
Nix with a good game. He might take Doziers spot. Plays mistake free basketball and is good decision maker. Not much of a shot though. Maybe he could at least be a PG3 with more physicality than JMac. Feels like they’re bringing him along like they did with Garza.
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Post by XRaySpecs on Jul 14, 2024 19:12:35 GMT -6
Shannon and Nix looked good again.
Clark certainly made plays defensively. Played much better than he did game 1. His corner 3 looked good. Holding out hope he could be a 3 and D guy, but his lack of size hurts. He really can only matchup with guards, but he doesn't have guard skills offensively. Puts more pressure on teammates for playmaking.
Dillingham hit those 2 early 3s, then proceeded to go 3 for his next 12 and 2 of the makes were wide open lay ups. His finishing near the rim vs any defense has been particularly bad. D wasn't as bad as game 1 and his playmaking and decision making looked decent so those are positives. Hopefully playing off Ant and KAT helps him get advantages.
I actually noticed Edwards this game. He's athletic for sure, but seems pedestrian otherwise for an older rookie.
Minott...love his energy. He's everywhere. Too bad the skills haven't caught up yet.
Miller with a forgettable game.
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Post by Nick K on Jul 14, 2024 19:17:23 GMT -6
Shannon and Nix looked good again. Clark certainly made plays defensively. Played much better than he did game 1. His corner 3 looked good. Holding out hope he could be a 3 and D guy, but his lack of size hurts. He really can only matchup with guards, but he doesn't have guard skills offensively. Puts more pressure on teammates for playmaking. Dillingham hit those 2 early 3s, then proceeded to go 3 for his next 12 and 2 of the makes were wide open lay ups. His finishing near the rim vs any defense has been particularly bad. D wasn't as bad as game 1 and his playmaking and decision making looked decent so those are positives. Hopefully playing off Ant and KAT helps him get advantages. I actually noticed Edwards this game. He's athletic for sure, but seems pedestrian otherwise for an older rookie. Minott...love his energy. He's everywhere. Too bad the skills haven't caught up yet. Miller with a forgettable game. Another poster said Miller looked like he played on two hours of sleep with a massive hang-over. That town can do it to you! :)
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Post by stretcharmstrong on Jul 16, 2024 9:48:20 GMT -6
Just remember everyone, it is summer league. Lots of players look good and do nothing in the NBA. I like the focus is about learning things instead of winning or stats.
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Post by Bonecrusher on Jul 16, 2024 12:50:58 GMT -6
Shannon is going to be the steal of the draft. Mark my words.
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Post by levine on Jul 16, 2024 19:02:58 GMT -6
Clark reverting back to his game 1 form.
No touch at all around the basket and he managed to turn a 3 on 2 break into a disadvantage.
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Post by XRaySpecs on Jul 16, 2024 19:49:19 GMT -6
Through the 3rd, the Wolves just playing sloppy hoops. Hacking left and right. Careless with the ball. Poor decision making. Can't hit shots.
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Post by XRaySpecs on Jul 16, 2024 19:59:00 GMT -6
Dillingham defense looking a lot better is my bright spot so far tonight.
Still not shooting/finishing though. He doesn't ever seem to shoot it squarely. He kicks his legs out a lot on his jumper and he seems to fling it at the hoop on his drives. His college pedigree says it'll be there after he adjusts...fingers crossed.
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Post by XRaySpecs on Jul 17, 2024 7:16:44 GMT -6
Dillingham is shooting 27% through 3 summer league games. Lots of people saying that the shooting isn't a concern. Obviously 3 games of SL doesn't mean a guy can't shoot for their entire career. I do think that the Wolves should be reevaluating whether or not having him as the de facto backup PG to 37 yo for THIS season is wise. What if it takes Dilly a year to acclimate to the NBA as a shooter/finisher? While the playmaking was better than expected and the D did pickup in these SL games, we can't have a PG shooting 30% from the field. Especially a guy who offers limited defense at best. If this is the level of shooting we're going to get from Dilly, the Wolves currently don't have a backup PG.
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Post by kingsxman on Jul 17, 2024 8:41:44 GMT -6
Dillingham is shooting 27% through 3 summer league games. Lots of people saying that the shooting isn't a concern. Obviously 3 games of SL doesn't mean a guy can't shoot for their entire career. I do think that the Wolves should be reevaluating whether or not having him as the de facto backup PG to 37 yo for THIS season is wise. What if it takes Dilly a year to acclimate to the NBA as a shooter/finisher? While the playmaking was better than expected and the D did pickup in these SL games, we can't have a PG shooting 30% from the field. Especially a guy who offers limited defense at best. If this is the level of shooting we're going to get from Dilly, the Wolves currently don't have a backup PG. I think this is an excellent point. Whats bothered me is his form. I had mentioned this previously based on his college clips but he seems to be "chucking" it rather than shooting it a lot of times. I think he'll be fine in the end but the west is so tough....it may not be smart to rely on him to be #2 PG from the get go.
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Post by jojo on Jul 17, 2024 9:34:33 GMT -6
From what I’ve seen they’ve had Rob concentrating on handling the ball and setting up others, as well as defense. I’ve been quite happy with his passing and court vision, as well as his general quickness. And he’s even been scrappy on defense. On offense, he hasn’t had many open looks since he’s had to create his own shots, but hasn’t been forcing it. Not really concerned with his shooting pecentage although because of his size he will have to be more crafty about getting his shot up. But I get the feeling he will figure it out.
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Post by wunderwolf on Jul 17, 2024 9:49:45 GMT -6
Dillingham is shooting 27% through 3 summer league games. Lots of people saying that the shooting isn't a concern. Obviously 3 games of SL doesn't mean a guy can't shoot for their entire career. I do think that the Wolves should be reevaluating whether or not having him as the de facto backup PG to 37 yo for THIS season is wise. What if it takes Dilly a year to acclimate to the NBA as a shooter/finisher? While the playmaking was better than expected and the D did pickup in these SL games, we can't have a PG shooting 30% from the field. Especially a guy who offers limited defense at best. If this is the level of shooting we're going to get from Dilly, the Wolves currently don't have a backup PG. www.si.com/nba/timberwolves/minnesota-timberwolves-news/john-wall-is-rob-dillingham-s-mentor-could-he-fit-with-timberwolves-01j2vdz08r5k
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