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Post by levine on Jul 23, 2024 17:46:30 GMT -6
Also I think its important to point out that while he struggled with shooting, he exceeded all expectations with his actual PG play.
And while his defense was bad, I thought he showed significantly more effort than Trae Young ever has. That combined with how truly awful his defensive techniques are make me think he has Conley upside as a defender.
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Post by jojo on Jul 23, 2024 18:23:36 GMT -6
Also I think its important to point out that while he struggled with shooting, he exceeded all expectations with his actual PG play. And while his defense was bad, I thought he showed significantly more effort than Trae Young ever has. That combined with how truly awful his defensive techniques are make me think he has Conley upside as a defender. I wonder if the defensive technique for a guy like him needs to be different. He’s never going to be a sit down defender the forms a wall in front of the guy he’s guarding. He’s going to have to rely on superior quickness to be a pest and try to knock the ball out. He will need to move his whole body around like a fly buzzing around. Sure he has to take away one side or the other but he’s not taking away both. It can work in a team concept.
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Post by BIG BAD WOLF on Jul 23, 2024 22:22:42 GMT -6
Also I think its important to point out that while he struggled with shooting, he exceeded all expectations with his actual PG play. And while his defense was bad, I thought he showed significantly more effort than Trae Young ever has. That combined with how truly awful his defensive techniques are make me think he has Conley upside as a defender. I wonder if the defensive technique for a guy like him needs to be different. He’s never going to be a sit down defender the forms a wall in front of the guy he’s guarding. He’s going to have to rely on superior quickness to be a pest and try to knock the ball out. He will need to move his whole body around like a fly buzzing around. Sure he has to take away one side or the other but he’s not taking away both. It can work in a team concept. Fly like a butterfly, sting like a bee - the NBA version!
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Post by quinn on Jul 24, 2024 10:25:59 GMT -6
Also I think its important to point out that while he struggled with shooting, he exceeded all expectations with his actual PG play. And while his defense was bad, I thought he showed significantly more effort than Trae Young ever has. That combined with how truly awful his defensive techniques are make me think he has Conley upside as a defender. Becoming a Conley-esque defender would be an absolute boon for the Wolves. If he's passable, that's a win at his size. I think the PG play and how he's been approaching defense are definitely two of my favorite things I've seen and heard from him so far. The defense really speaks to a culture that's been formed by the coaching staff and the players as to what Timberwolves basketball is about. Dane loves to talk about how Monte Morris was the prime example of that. Not known as a defender before he got here but realized how important defense is on this team and realized he needed to buck up and lock up on that end of the floor. I think Rob has realized that too. I think he may grade out as one of the worst defenders in the league next year, but as long as he's trying at this stage, that's all I can ask for.
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Post by XRaySpecs on Jul 24, 2024 13:52:12 GMT -6
I hope the Wolves reexamine the use of a 2 way on Edwards. I wasn't too impressed with him and at age 24 it's not like there's a lot of upside. What's he good at? What's even potentially good at? Seems like there has to be another developmental big out there with a better chance to improve.
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Post by levine on Jul 24, 2024 14:10:16 GMT -6
I hope the Wolves reexamine the use of a 2 way on Edwards. I wasn't too impressed with him and at age 24 it's not like there's a lot of upside. What's he good at? What's even potentially good at? Seems like there has to be another developmental big out there with a better chance to improve. I think they brought him in as a "practice Rudy". So guys can get a feel in SL and GLeague of what its like to play with Gobert.
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Post by XRaySpecs on Jul 24, 2024 15:12:24 GMT -6
I hope the Wolves reexamine the use of a 2 way on Edwards. I wasn't too impressed with him and at age 24 it's not like there's a lot of upside. What's he good at? What's even potentially good at? Seems like there has to be another developmental big out there with a better chance to improve. I think they brought him in as a "practice Rudy". So guys can get a feel in SL and GLeague of what its like to play with Gobert. We could just make some other center put on oven mitts right?
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Post by levine on Jul 24, 2024 15:38:51 GMT -6
I think they brought him in as a "practice Rudy". So guys can get a feel in SL and GLeague of what its like to play with Gobert. We could just make some other center put on oven mitts right? I think the combination of size and athleticism is a little trickier to find. I'm really not that concerned with our 3rd 2-way contract...
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Post by cory on Jul 25, 2024 8:57:23 GMT -6
We could just make some other center put on oven mitts right? I think the combination of size and athleticism is a little trickier to find. I'm really not that concerned with our 3rd 2-way contract... It's not the end of the world but I still the would have held on to 57 and made Chomper the practice Gobert as he actually appears to have a ceiling of NBA player. www.nba.com/draft/2024/prospects/ulrich-chomche
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Post by levine on Jul 25, 2024 9:15:19 GMT -6
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Post by stretcharmstrong on Jul 25, 2024 12:06:08 GMT -6
I almost mentioned Wemby as an example. Summer league does not show much of anything.
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Post by XRaySpecs on Jul 25, 2024 13:03:05 GMT -6
thef5.substack.com/p/sticky-summerThis is from a few years back. It was an evaluation looking at what stats translated best from SL to the NBA for rookies. Assists were the 2nd highest in correlation behind 3pt attempt rate. FG% and 3pt% were some of the lower correlations. This is pretty encouraging for Dillingham who averaged 9.2 assists per 36.
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Post by levine on Jul 25, 2024 13:41:23 GMT -6
thef5.substack.com/p/sticky-summerThis is from a few years back. It was an evaluation looking at what stats translated best from SL to the NBA for rookies. Assists were the 2nd highest in correlation behind 3pt attempt rate. FG% and 3pt% were some of the lower correlations. This is pretty encouraging for Dillingham who averaged 9.2 assists per 36. He attempted just over 5 in just under 30 minutes/game. That has to be pretty solid as well.
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Post by XRaySpecs on Jul 25, 2024 15:24:01 GMT -6
He attempted just over 5 in just under 30 minutes/game. That has to be pretty solid as well. Yep. Hopefully they go in! We just don't know. That's my only concern for next year. Dillingham could be very good right away. He could also not. I'm obviously hoping for the former, but as has been pointed out with these comparisons, we really don't know and that applies both ways.
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Post by XRaySpecs on Jul 26, 2024 6:44:47 GMT -6
I've heard/read little things that Dillingham wasn't 100% healthy for summer league. Has anyone seen anything more on that? Details?
Dunc'd On Pod's take on Dilly was down mostly because they didn't see a guy who was quick or athletic enough to consistently create good looks on his own. That fits with what I saw as well in that Rob didn't seem lightning quick (which he kind of needs to be at his size). Just wondering if some of this was injury? They were also really down on his finishing which was an issue for sure. I think the finishing can definitely improve with more strength and as Dilly learns how to get into a floater game more. He showed willingness to take a few of those which he'll need to keep exploring.
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Post by quinn on Jul 26, 2024 7:39:05 GMT -6
I've heard/read little things that Dillingham wasn't 100% healthy for summer league. Has anyone seen anything more on that? Details? Dunc'd On Pod's take on Dilly was down mostly because they didn't see a guy who was quick or athletic enough to consistently create good looks on his own. That fits with what I saw as well in that Rob didn't seem lightning quick (which he kind of needs to be at his size). Just wondering if some of this was injury? They were also really down on his finishing which was an issue for sure. I think the finishing can definitely improve with more strength and as Dilly learns how to get into a floater game more. He showed willingness to take a few of those which he'll need to keep exploring. I had thought I had heard/read that he had an ankle injury during the pre-draft process and was still recovering from that somewhat.
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Post by levine on Jul 26, 2024 9:29:56 GMT -6
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Post by jojo on Jul 26, 2024 12:53:34 GMT -6
He attempted just over 5 in just under 30 minutes/game. That has to be pretty solid as well. Yep. Hopefully they go in! We just don't know. That's my only concern for next year. Dillingham could be very good right away. He could also not. I'm obviously hoping for the former, but as has been pointed out with these comparisons, we really don't know and that applies both ways. Based on SL I saw enough that Dilly has a good chance to play meaningful minutes as backup point, at least at the level that Monte or Jordan did last year. He’s much quicker than either of them and showed solid passing and court vision. Not expecting more than that right away but would love to see him become hub of second unit offense eventually. As far as defense if the bar is matching Jordan or Mike he should be able to get close after a full training camp.
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