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Post by levine on Oct 13, 2024 10:05:46 GMT -6
I also think the big Ragu will take minutes from NAW but I doubt he's as good of a defender as NAW. I think there is a place for both on the team given that its a long season. He's definitely not as good of a defender as NAW. But he's solid on that end - and light years better than NAW at every aspect of offense. I'm not sure there are enough minutes to keep them both happy. And what do you do with TSJ? Do you play a guy who is already 24 the whole year in Iowa, or do you try to find him minutes on the main roster?
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Post by kingsxman on Oct 13, 2024 10:20:32 GMT -6
I also think the big Ragu will take minutes from NAW but I doubt he's as good of a defender as NAW. I think there is a place for both on the team given that its a long season. He's definitely not as good of a defender as NAW. But he's solid on that end - and light years better than NAW at every aspect of offense. I'm not sure there are enough minutes to keep them both happy. And what do you do with TSJ? Do you play a guy who is already 24 the whole year in Iowa, or do you try to find him minutes on the main roster? Really depends on what they see in TSJ I guess. If they see that he can be a piece..then it makes NAW more moveable. BTW, for those that are disappointed in the KAT trade....look at how that trade is having ripple effects on our possibilities already.
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Post by XRaySpecs on Oct 13, 2024 10:26:40 GMT -6
Getting Donte I think makes NAW extremely expendable as a trade chip. I don't really see how he signs his next contract here as Dilly and Donte are pretty penciled into the future of the team. Question then becomes what is he actually worth? He's got a great expiring contract at $4.3 mil. Could he be packaged with the Detroit first and Randle to get something decent? I see how Donte and drafting both Dilly and TJ probably limit the path for NAW to return, but it's also true that NAW was really valuable last year. He didn't shoot well in the playoffs, but he was REALLY good last year in the regular season. He was 98th percentile in Defensive EPM last year, the best on the team (after being 88th the year before). He shot 39% from 3 on decent volume. The Wolves were REALLY good defensively last year and NAW was a big reason for that. Donte isn't a bad defender, but he's also not a great defender like NAW was last year. Donte was 50th percentile last year in DEPM. I've just like NAW since he got here. His hustle and want to are just obvious out there that I've had a soft spot for him. I get it though. We can't pay everyone. It would be great if he did develop some more combo guard skills so he could handle some PG, but the early returns in preseason aren't great there. I just am preparing myself for the Wolves to start dropping in the defensive rankings. Losing Kyle hurts. Losing NAW will hurt. Rudy aging will hurt. The Wolves are going to have to transition to being a different more balanced team that is much better offensively if they're going to sustain success.
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Post by quinn on Oct 13, 2024 10:41:18 GMT -6
Getting Donte I think makes NAW extremely expendable as a trade chip. I don't really see how he signs his next contract here as Dilly and Donte are pretty penciled into the future of the team. Question then becomes what is he actually worth? He's got a great expiring contract at $4.3 mil. C ould he be packaged with the Detroit first and Randle to get something decent?I don't think we can aggregate contracts to take back a bigger deal. It would have to be 2 separate deals. Randle for a player better than him making the same money and NAW for a player worse than him making similar money. Yes, you're absolutely right. Forgot about the 2nd apron penalties. To the conversation in the other thread RE Kessler, that trade would probably be the easiest to work, cap wise that is, swapping NAW and the Detroit pick for Kessler. Makes sense, there's known interest given we drafted him, and he's a very similar mold to Rudy and fits a need for us much more than NAW at backup center.
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Post by levine on Oct 13, 2024 10:42:28 GMT -6
It would be great if he did develop some more combo guard skills so he could handle some PG, but the early returns in preseason aren't great there. Just like the Playoffs last year. He's a turnover waiting to happen by bringing the ball up. He's a truly great POA defender and as good of a screen navigator as there is in the entire league. But when his 3 isn't falling, he provides nothing on offense.
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Post by levine on Oct 13, 2024 10:43:59 GMT -6
I don't think we can aggregate contracts to take back a bigger deal. It would have to be 2 separate deals. Randle for a player better than him making the same money and NAW for a player worse than him making similar money. Yes, you're absolutely right. Forgot about the 2nd apron penalties. To the conversation in the other thread RE Kessler, that trade would probably be the easiest to work, cap wise that is, swapping NAW and the Detroit pick for Kessler. Makes sense, there's known interest given we drafted him, and he's a very similar mold to Rudy and fits a need for us much more than NAW at backup center. I wonder if that's enough for them. Do they want NAW back. He was a throw-in in the Conley trade, and while people like to see he blossomed here, it really happened in Utah. People just didn't see it because NAW has the ability to raise the ceiling on a good team, but he does nothing to raise the floor of a bad one.
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Post by quinn on Oct 13, 2024 10:49:21 GMT -6
He's definitely not as good of a defender as NAW. But he's solid on that end - and light years better than NAW at every aspect of offense. I'm not sure there are enough minutes to keep them both happy. And what do you do with TSJ? Do you play a guy who is already 24 the whole year in Iowa, or do you try to find him minutes on the main roster? Really depends on what they see in TSJ I guess. If they see that he can be a piece..then it makes NAW more moveable. BTW, for those that are disappointed in the KAT trade....look at how that trade is having ripple effects on our possibilities already. TSJ is such a wild card IMO. He's 24 already. To contextualize, Minott is 21 and NAW is 26. He should absolutely be ready to go, but there may be some acclimation to the size and physicality and he may not have a role ready made. I think that getting Donte probably makes TSJ more expendable as well. He may be better suited for another contending team with less depth on it. The swing stuff I think for Shannon: What position is he? What position is Minott? If TSJ is a 3, then there may be more minutes available. If Minott is a 3, that may mean Shannon is a 2, which I think could be a better position for him. Once he's in the guard lineup, he's battling Dilly, Donte, and NAW for minutes. I think he's probably 4th banana in that battle. Now, if Minott is a 4, which I think may be more likely, that means he's competing with Ingles, NAW, and Keita which is a much better shot for him. I would love to see more TSJ than Ingles during the regular season. I think he's going to provide much more offensive value than Ingles as a downhill threat and a transition runner. Finch has said the goal is to play fast, which makes me think we'll get some of the young guns more during the regular season. I don't think TSJ will get minutes right away, but I think he's got the chops to win some out as the year progresses and fatigue hits. One thing's for sure. Too many deserving players is not a bad thing for the Wolves.
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Post by BIG BAD WOLF on Oct 13, 2024 10:52:24 GMT -6
Yes, you're absolutely right. Forgot about the 2nd apron penalties. To the conversation in the other thread RE Kessler, that trade would probably be the easiest to work, cap wise that is, swapping NAW and the Detroit pick for Kessler. Makes sense, there's known interest given we drafted him, and he's a very similar mold to Rudy and fits a need for us much more than NAW at backup center. I wonder if that's enough for them. Do they want NAW back. He was a throw-in in the Conley trade, and while people like to see he blossomed here, it really happened in Utah. People just didn't see it because NAW has the ability to raise the ceiling on a good team, but he does nothing to raise the floor of a bad one. After last year, NAW could command some picks from a team. LAL would probably love him, but have nothing to trade for him. OKC might want to put him next to his cousin... And they could definitely risk a first for this experiment.
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Post by kingsxman on Oct 13, 2024 12:55:18 GMT -6
Really depends on what they see in TSJ I guess. If they see that he can be a piece..then it makes NAW more moveable. BTW, for those that are disappointed in the KAT trade....look at how that trade is having ripple effects on our possibilities already. TSJ is such a wild card IMO. He's 24 already. To contextualize, Minott is 21 and NAW is 26. He should absolutely be ready to go, but there may be some acclimation to the size and physicality and he may not have a role ready made. I think that getting Donte probably makes TSJ more expendable as well. He may be better suited for another contending team with less depth on it. The swing stuff I think for Shannon: What position is he? What position is Minott? If TSJ is a 3, then there may be more minutes available. If Minott is a 3, that may mean Shannon is a 2, which I think could be a better position for him. Once he's in the guard lineup, he's battling Dilly, Donte, and NAW for minutes. I think he's probably 4th banana in that battle. Now, if Minott is a 4, which I think may be more likely, that means he's competing with Ingles, NAW, and Keita which is a much better shot for him. I would love to see more TSJ than Ingles during the regular season. I think he's going to provide much more offensive value than Ingles as a downhill threat and a transition runner. Finch has said the goal is to play fast, which makes me think we'll get some of the young guns more during the regular season. I don't think TSJ will get minutes right away, but I think he's got the chops to win some out as the year progresses and fatigue hits. One thing's for sure. Too many deserving players is not a bad thing for the Wolves. I think the age thing is overrated. Sure he's 24. And that would matter if we were drafting a potential star. TSJ is a role player who at 24, still has 6-8 good years in the league if he can play. Thats within our window as it sits right now. 24 year old will probably pick things up faster than a 19 year old. I expect him to be much better by the end of the year than a normal 19-20 year old would.
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Post by darko on Oct 13, 2024 16:28:51 GMT -6
Tempo looks more like a real game tonight.
Don’t get having McD handle up top, teams will end that when needed. Thibs has immediately used Towns better. This took zero days.
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Post by darko on Oct 13, 2024 16:39:54 GMT -6
NAW a point guard in FOM, not post. Kat spins around Naz for the flush like a baby on butter.
Cam Payne was also an elite point guard suddenly under FOM.
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Post by darko on Oct 13, 2024 16:48:46 GMT -6
Watching Jingles on out there makes me wonder if Finch still has some juice left.
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Post by darko on Oct 13, 2024 16:59:51 GMT -6
Ant Man starting to ball.
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Post by darko on Oct 13, 2024 17:12:53 GMT -6
If Ant averages 50 we’ll be fine.
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Post by jojo on Oct 13, 2024 17:22:10 GMT -6
2 things: NAW not showing he can play point when Mike is out. And Finch is letting Minott play with the starters. Could be trends to watch as the season goes on.
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Post by darko on Oct 13, 2024 17:33:43 GMT -6
I would guess Wolves are propping Minott up to flip, even if we move off Randle in a year hard to see where he fits long term.
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Post by darko on Oct 13, 2024 17:34:43 GMT -6
Good entertaining first half though.
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Post by darko on Oct 13, 2024 17:53:13 GMT -6
I’d like a Rudy Gobert sprint dribble with Ingles and Minott running the wings.
One of the best 3 quarters of a pre-season game I have ever seen. We might have a sport again.
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Post by levine on Oct 13, 2024 17:54:49 GMT -6
I would guess Wolves are propping Minott up to flip, even if we move off Randle in a year hard to see where he fits long term.Why? He's clearly miles ahead of Miller at this point.
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Post by darko on Oct 13, 2024 17:55:21 GMT -6
No way that’s a foul on Kat.
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Post by darko on Oct 13, 2024 17:57:32 GMT -6
I would guess Wolves are propping Minott up to flip, even if we move off Randle in a year hard to see where he fits long term.Why? He's clearly miles ahead of Miller at this point. Talking the Naiz Craze, McD, Randle. Leo Miller should start next game. Give the people what they want! Ope the Deuce is loose.
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Post by levine on Oct 13, 2024 18:04:09 GMT -6
Why? He's clearly miles ahead of Miller at this point. Talking the Naiz Craze, McD, Randle. Leo Miller should start next game. Give the people what they want! Ope the Deuce is loose. So he's behind Randle even after we "move off him next year"? The only thing Leonard Miller has earned is another year in Iowa. Dude is super talented (even if he moves like he doesn't have knees), but I'm still trying to decide if he's super cool and low key, or just not that interested in the game.
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Post by levine on Oct 13, 2024 18:06:46 GMT -6
Big Ragu showing terrific court vision.
Dude just always makes the right play.
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Post by darko on Oct 13, 2024 18:09:15 GMT -6
Yes he is behind Randle. I don’t know how that could be more clear. Maybe he’s a sweetener in a Randle deal after the season. I mean he looked fine so if we want to roll him out there perfectly fine with.
If it’s one thing I learned watching D-Lo it’s the only way to stay fly, is to show as little interest or care as humanly possible. That and roller skates.
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Post by darko on Oct 13, 2024 18:11:32 GMT -6
Lot of good pasta dish names for our team this year, chicken penne, the Alfredo bisque, the Olive Garden. The Mozzaball Maven.
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