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Post by levine on Sept 19, 2018 19:57:21 GMT -6
Posted this in another thread - I think we'll be staring at packages like this: Clippers (SGA not available to be dealt until December 15) Choice of Galinari or Tobias Harris and a 1st rounder with limited protections. Nets - Levert/Rondae Hollis Jefferson and Allen Crabbe or D'Angelo Russell and Demarre Carroll Knicks (Knox not available to be dealt until December 15) - Frankie and Lee??? Maybe you squeeze a protected 1st out of the Nets or Knicks. If I could get RHJ and Levert in a deal, I do that in seconds. I think they are both legit starters in the league who could thrive playing off of the present roster in the right situation (i.e. Thibs is not the coach). I would take a swing on Fultz if he was put out there. Middleton too. Are you sure about that December 15th thing? According to Larry Coon draft picks are eligible to be traded 30 days after they sign.
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Post by XRaySpecs on Sept 19, 2018 20:48:14 GMT -6
(Expletive) Wiggins as well. I want him gone. Wiggins is a dog. (And yeah, I know the tweet is his brother's but it says a lot). It's super revealing to me! Lets get rid of this malcontent before other teams catch on that he's a locker room cancer. What a steal Chicago made in the trade with us. They had to be laughing all the way to the bank.
They wound up having to commit huge money to Lavine with still no sign that he's ever going to be playable defensively. And Dunn isn't exactly on an all star trajectory. Markkanen had a good rookie season, but didn't show that he's more than his scouting report suggested with poor rebounding and defense.
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Post by Nick K on Sept 19, 2018 20:53:56 GMT -6
I’m seeing rumors on Twitter that Butler slept with KAT’s girlfriend back in May... That would explain a lot. Any truth to it? If true, that would tell you all you need to know about Jimmy Butler. Doesn't say much about KAT's gal either...if true.
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Post by Nick K on Sept 19, 2018 20:58:27 GMT -6
Adrian Wojnarowski@wojespn 11m11 minutes ago Minnesota's Jimmy Butler is most determined to find a way to the Los Angeles Clippers, league sources tell ESPN. The appeal of partnering with a second star - the Clippers have two max contract slots available in summer free agency - is an intriguing scenario for him. They have nobody I like except for Tobias Harris and he's a PF.
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Post by levine on Sept 19, 2018 21:01:54 GMT -6
Adrian Wojnarowski@wojespn 11m11 minutes ago Minnesota's Jimmy Butler is most determined to find a way to the Los Angeles Clippers, league sources tell ESPN. The appeal of partnering with a second star - the Clippers have two max contract slots available in summer free agency - is an intriguing scenario for him. They have nobody I like except for Tobias Harris and he's a PF. We need a PF. Taj And Tolliver are on 1 year deals and suddenly are both a lot less important for this team... And I'd love to get Shai Gilgeous-Alexander.
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Post by Nick K on Sept 19, 2018 21:09:31 GMT -6
It's super revealing to me! Lets get rid of this malcontent before other teams catch on that he's a locker room cancer. What a steal Chicago made in the trade with us. They had to be laughing all the way to the bank.
They wound up having to commit huge money to Lavine with still no sign that he's ever going to be playable defensively. And Dunn isn't exactly on an all star trajectory. Markkanen had a good rookie season, but didn't show that he's more than his scouting report suggested with poor rebounding and defense. Nonsense. Lavine coming off an ACL averaged 17 pts 4 rebs in limited minutes. Dunn avg'd 14 and 6 and never played better. He showed what we only saw glimpses of and Markkanen had a very good rookie season. Better than I expected.
So that means we gave up 3 lottery picks for Jimmy in a 1 yr rental plus a guy with a glass foot. I guarantee you Chicago wouldn't reverse that deal.
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Post by Nick K on Sept 19, 2018 21:20:20 GMT -6
They have nobody I like except for Tobias Harris and he's a PF. We need a PF. Taj And Tolliver are on 1 year deals and suddenly are both a lot less important for this team... And I'd love to get Shai Gilgeous-Alexander. I forgot about Shai. You know I like those Kentucky guys.
Wouldn't it be great to have something done by the weekend? I don't see that happening but Tuesday will be a downer seeing Thibs walk to the interview table. What a way to kick off the season.
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Post by salty on Sept 19, 2018 21:22:48 GMT -6
Nonsense. Lavine coming off an ACL averaged 17 pts 4 rebs in limited minutes. Dunn avg'd 14 and 6 and never played better. He showed what we only saw glimpses of and Markkanen had a very good rookie season. Better than I expected.
So that means we gave up 3 lottery picks for Jimmy in a 1 yr rental plus a guy with a glass foot. I guarantee you Chicago wouldn't reverse that deal.
Lavine could go the way of Wiggins and never live up to the contract. Dunn could become nothing more than a backup. Markkanen could be a one trick player. Or.... Lavine could stay healthy and keeps improving. Dunn could continue to show that he is a valuable two-way player and Markkanen could continue to show why he is a very dangerous stretch 4 player who is a decent rebounder (who is a decent rebounder already). I'll bet that the latter happens.
Unless we get really, really lucky with Butler getting dealt...the original trade was a complete disaster. Oh, Patton will most likely be long gone from the Wolves before he see's action.
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Post by Scorched on Sept 19, 2018 21:51:42 GMT -6
A Butler/Dieng for Noah/Lee/Ntilinka/1st rounder deal would probably a reasonably strong return at this point. I also would take Crabbe or Carroll and an unprotected 1st. We need a first rounder at this point. Those damn things are assets. I think Noah was already bought out, so that's not possible.
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Post by levine on Sept 19, 2018 22:02:21 GMT -6
A Butler/Dieng for Noah/Lee/Ntilinka/1st rounder deal would probably a reasonably strong return at this point. I also would take Crabbe or Carroll and an unprotected 1st. We need a first rounder at this point. Those damn things are assets. I think Noah was already bought out, so that's not possible. Not yet... From today: After Sept. 1, the Knicks became eligible to use the stretch provision on Noah. That would maximize savings on their 2019 salary cap to the tune of $12 million. They have no plans of bringing him to training camp, which starts Monday, but the delay in waiving him is likely because the Knicks are exploring whether a late trade can be executed if an injury arises.nypost.com/2018/09/19/joakim-noah-seems-to-be-taking-upcoming-knicks-divorce-well/(Holy cow, Noah is RIPPED...)
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Post by The Country Club on Sept 20, 2018 4:55:47 GMT -6
Tobias is a 3/4 - he can play both although he's played the 4 more in DET and LAC given he's not a quick cat. Not a very good defender (not trash either) but he's versatile and has developed a nice outside shot.
I'd be down with a Tobias + filler + protected 1 for Butler (or, more ideally, Tobias+Beverley but we aren't getting a 1st). Filler would probably be Teodosic.
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Post by pagliatti on Sept 20, 2018 5:07:26 GMT -6
Want no part of Galinari. He's never been that good and is constantly injured. I have no real interest in anything in LA other than Shai Gilgeous but I would probably take Frank over him and the expiring contract of Lee. I would definitely take a package that centered around Levert as well. Shai not being able to be dealt right away would make me run from the Clippers. This needs to happen between now and mid-October. Any trade with Gallo would be made with him just to match salaries with a glimpse of a chance to be productive as a bonus. Probably a guy with good attitude too. I would be less interested on getting a dollar by dollar return than creating the scenario to get complementary pieces to the roster down the road. Create a fluid situation with SG/SF/PF with stopgags there but slots for grabs. (Okogie could step up, AW might give you a hint about where he is going as a player, Gallinari could regain some value, you would have many options and holes, could be seen as an attractive destination while keeping the powder dry). As I see it Gallo and a 2019 unprotected 1st while forcing them to swallow Dieng and trading Lou to a third team to get us some additional pick and some expiring to match salaries is a decent return- the Clips would be deep but shooting an issue so the pick might be half valuable. I would prefer to keep slots as TBD than assigning resources to someone like Tobias Harris. People step up to opportunity but you need to hand out that opportunity, ideally to players who bring what you lack, not strictly BPA, particularly when your two young guys are suited to average almost 50 PPG between them. If the perfect PF next to KAT isn't there don't get just a name. The same process with the wing next to AW. This team would be a contender with a prime Bowen and Draymond Green. Those players, as Ben Wallace or Tay Prince, aren't usually acquired as the main piece in a trade; swapping JB for a downgrade while keeping course isn't going to cut it.
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Post by WolvesLife on Sept 20, 2018 7:08:24 GMT -6
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Post by The Country Club on Sept 20, 2018 7:14:53 GMT -6
To be fair, Butler's on point with Wiggins' work ethic and effort but I hate the shade tossing over social media - childish and petty.
I would not be upset at all if Wiggins were cleared out of here as part of the gig.
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Post by The Country Club on Sept 20, 2018 7:17:51 GMT -6
Harris + filler + protected 1 or Harris + Beverley would be great.
I think realistically it's going to be Dieng+Butler for Noah+Lee+Ntilikina+protected 1.
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Post by BIG BAD WOLF on Sept 20, 2018 7:36:30 GMT -6
To be fair, Butler's on point with Wiggins' work ethic and effort but I hate the shade tossing over social media - childish and petty. I would not be upset at all if Wiggins were cleared out of here as part of the gig. This would be funny: trade JB and Wigs to the same team. Then Jimmy gets his way: play for a team without KAT...
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Post by BIG BAD WOLF on Sept 20, 2018 7:42:09 GMT -6
If it is such a well know fact that JB and Kyrie will team up next year, why is BOS not in this discussion at all? Why are they contempt on watching their PG walk away (likely somewhere in their conference) to make a super team with JB and be in their way in the playoffs? They have parts to trade to bring Jimmy in and make that super team themselves. What am I missing? They can't think Hayward will give them what Jimmy would.
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Post by boognish on Sept 20, 2018 7:44:44 GMT -6
I hope he gets thoroughly booed by Target Center the first game he plays here. He wouldn't care. If you want to boo any one, Boo Thibs and Taylor. Me too. Jimmy Butler just became my least favorite player of all time. I'll root against him forever, regardless of what team that ingrate plays for. Let's just hope this doesn't cause the team to blow up completely. What a mess.
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Post by boognish on Sept 20, 2018 7:49:17 GMT -6
Oh god...I just realized by the end of the day we could be likely looking at a Layden GM and Ryan Saunders HC situation... Sad as that would be... at this point I'll take it. Ryan might surprise the hell out of everybody. David Adelman would be my choice for a young bright mind as coach. Maybe his dad can come back part time to be involved. We have very little bargaining leverage so I'm afraid we won't get much. Butler is an allstar so we should get a starter plus a 1st round pick. Obviously we need a starting SG or SF.
The Clips or Knicks are 2 teams I'd hate to deal with because they have nobody I want. That makes matters worse yet. Maybe the Nets have something. I always liked Dinwiddie but he's a poor 3 pt shooter. Rondae Hollis-Jefferson would be THE guy to get. Joe Harris is up and coming.
I thought things were bad enough at the end of last season. Never in my imagination did I expect the sh/t-show I'm seeing now.
There might be a wonderful new beginning to arise from these ashes. Let's hope so.
At least Ryan would let the talented assistant coaches actually do some coaching, and his attitude compared to Thibs's would be enough on its own to make the switch, IMO.
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Post by Nick K on Sept 20, 2018 8:42:46 GMT -6
If it is such a well know fact that JB and Kyrie will team up next year, why is BOS not in this discussion at all? Why are they contempt on watching their PG walk away (likely somewhere in their conference) to make a super team with JB and be in their way in the playoffs? They have parts to trade to bring Jimmy in and make that super team themselves. What am I missing? They can't think Hayward will give them what Jimmy would. I think you're on to something there. If the money worked I'd do Hayward for Butler straight up any day of the week.
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Post by Nick K on Sept 20, 2018 8:49:15 GMT -6
To be fair, Butler's on point with Wiggins' work ethic and effort but I hate the shade tossing over social media - childish and petty. I would not be upset at all if Wiggins were cleared out of here as part of the gig. This would be funny: trade JB and Wigs to the same team. Then Jimmy gets his way: play for a team without KAT... Touche'
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Post by salparadise on Sept 20, 2018 8:57:59 GMT -6
The money for Hayward does work straight up and I would do this in a second. It would be a cold blooded move by the Celtics though and I don’t see it happening due to his relationship with Stevens.
The Celtics are interesting, but if they don’t trade Hayward, I don’t see too many options.
Horford is another big in an already crowded front court. Kyrie would work, but that kinda defeats the purpose. Brown or Tatum would be great, but I don’t see Boston giving up either of their young studs.
This leaves filler and whatever pick assets that they still have laying around.
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Post by Nick K on Sept 20, 2018 9:16:35 GMT -6
The money for Hayward does work straight up and I would do this in a second. It would be a cold blooded move by the Celtics though and I don’t see it happening due to his relationship with Stevens. The Celtics are interesting, but if they don’t trade Hayward, I don’t see too many options. Horford is another big in an already crowded front court. Kyrie would work, but that kinda defeats the purpose. Brown or Tatum would be great, but I don’t see Boston giving up either of their young studs. This leaves filler and whatever pick assets that they still have laying around. Of course you're right. It was a good thought for the moment.
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Post by cory on Sept 20, 2018 9:25:26 GMT -6
Posted this in another thread - I think we'll be staring at packages like this: Clippers (SGA not available to be dealt until December 15) Choice of Galinari or Tobias Harris and a 1st rounder with limited protections. Nets - Levert/Rondae Hollis Jefferson and Allen Crabbe or D'Angelo Russell and Demarre Carroll Knicks (Knox not available to be dealt until December 15) - Frankie and Lee??? Maybe you squeeze a protected 1st out of the Nets or Knicks. If I could get RHJ and Levert in a deal, I do that in seconds. I think they are both legit starters in the league who could thrive playing off of the present roster in the right situation (i.e. Thibs is not the coach). I would take a swing on Fultz if he was put out there. Middleton too. Are you sure about that December 15th thing? According to Larry Coon draft picks are eligible to be traded 30 days after they sign. I am not sure. That would be awesome if that is the case. Maybe it was an old rule that I'm thinking of.
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Post by levine on Sept 20, 2018 9:39:38 GMT -6
If it is such a well know fact that JB and Kyrie will team up next year, why is BOS not in this discussion at all? Why are they contempt on watching their PG walk away (likely somewhere in their conference) to make a super team with JB and be in their way in the playoffs? They have parts to trade to bring Jimmy in and make that super team themselves. What am I missing? They can't think Hayward will give them what Jimmy would. I think you're on to something there. If the money worked I'd do Hayward for Butler straight up any day of the week. Ainge doesn't want Butler. He had every opportunity to trade for him and passed. He doesn't fit what they're building, and he doesn't fit Ainge's preferred personality type. He's also not a great fit because he's ball dominant and not a good outside shooter. They're better off with Brown, Tatum, Hayward and Smart.
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