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Post by BIG BAD WOLF on Sept 20, 2018 15:07:26 GMT -6
In all this crazy whirlwind of news and blame and what not, let's not forget KAT has a pretty large fault here too. Yes, allegedly JB did hit (or more than "hit") on his GF. Yes things got ugly on a personal level. Yes, JB is a dick. But he is a dick who is a good BBall player, and a major contributor to a team on the up and coming. A team which is headlined by KAT. A team that is HIS team, regardless of what JB says or does. I can understand KAT not being happy with the guy (I hope he is at least as unhappy with his former GF too). But you really do not have to be buddies with him, you just have to pass him the ball and he has to pass it to you. Just be professional, check your personal feelings, pride, and biases at the door and go to work doing a job for which you are paid WAY too much anyway. But no, KAT not only did not do that, not only did he use his leverage to get JB out of the team this year, he wanted to hit him in the wallet too. He wanted Jimmy to lose his Bird rights to be forced to take a lower contract as revenge for crossing him, The Chosen One. That is a dick move on KAT's side on par with Jimmy's screw up. KAT did not have to do that. He could have done what's best for the team and the fans: agree to play out the year and let the Butler drama unfold next summer. The team would have been better this year, and likely MIN would have done a sign and trade for another max player next summer which would have made the team better next year. KAT showed he has no regard for the team or the fans for doing what he did. Now he will be heading into a losing season with major changes coming up and likely nothing to show for at the end other than a lottery pick. All the fans are completely miffed and deflated about the future of this team, and all that should be on KAT. If you are going to boo Jimmy next time he comes in town, make sure to treat KAT to the same courtesy. He more than deserves it! Couldn't disagree more. KAT did not make a public demand for JB to be traded. He declined to extend. When asked, he was honest: he doesn't want to maintain a long-term professional relationship with Butler. He is under no obligation to sign an extension with the Wolves. If someone is on this team that he doesn't want to play with, he is well within his rights to choose to go into UFA and sign with another team. He simply said "choose one". That said, I am also not upset with Butler for demanding a trade given the circumstances. I actually think both of them have stepped up to tell the team how it is instead of playing out their contract and walking away. There is a reasonable chance that had one or the other not said something, we would end up with neither of them. KAT has a right to not want to associate with Butler. Every one of us has the right to just go and find a new job when that happens (and I have before). This is the only option KAT (and Bulter) have for deciding who they work with. While I agree it would have been better for them to figure out a way to put it behind them and move on, some times it's too far along. KAT pulling the trigger on this now, is quite literally the best option for everyone involved. It's better for the team, who can now get something for Butler. It's better for Butler, so he can now get his max contract. It's better for the team that trades for Butler cause they can have the best chance of keeping him (and maybe getting Irving in the process). And we don't have to deal with another season of water and oil on the court. I agree that KAT played a big role in this: he was the only one with the balls to do the right thing. None of these clowns cares about me and you. All they care about is getting their share of the pie. Which is not right, considering we pay for that pie one way or another. You are very right here: this is the best outcome for both of them. It only sucks for me and you having to sit thru another lost season of crappy basketball and (hopefully) coaching and FO changes. The way I see it, they should be doing everything possible to make the team currently employing them successful. If that means swallowing your pride and playing alongside a guy you don't like, so be it. BTW, if the rumors of Jimmy hooking up with KAT's girl are true, why would KAT be so mad? Jimmy didn't rape her (I hope).
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Post by cory on Sept 20, 2018 15:35:07 GMT -6
None of these clowns cares about me and you. All they care about is getting their share of the pie. Which is not right, considering we pay for that pie one way or another. You are very right here: this is the best outcome for both of them. It only sucks for me and you having to sit thru another lost season of crappy basketball and (hopefully) coaching and FO changes. The way I see it, they should be doing everything possible to make the team currently employing them successful. If that means swallowing your pride and playing alongside a guy you don't like, so be it. BTW, if the rumors of Jimmy hooking up with KAT's girl are true, why would KAT be so mad? Jimmy didn't rape her (I hope). Please stop talking.
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Post by Nick K on Sept 20, 2018 15:52:22 GMT -6
Lowe: Says that teams don’t want to give Jimmy the 5/190, they prefer the 4 year deal and not having to trade assets for him. Jon Krawczynski✔@jonkrawczynski In canvassing the league, there are a number of teams interested in Jimmy Butler. Not all of them would need assurances that Butler will sign long-term. Still unsure if Thibs will change stance and start engaging in trade talks.That sounds absurd to me. If Thibs is unwilling to engage in Butler trade talks he's looking to get fired on purpose.
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Post by tjstyles on Sept 20, 2018 16:00:27 GMT -6
Couldn't disagree more. KAT did not make a public demand for JB to be traded. He declined to extend. When asked, he was honest: he doesn't want to maintain a long-term professional relationship with Butler. He is under no obligation to sign an extension with the Wolves. If someone is on this team that he doesn't want to play with, he is well within his rights to choose to go into UFA and sign with another team. He simply said "choose one". That said, I am also not upset with Butler for demanding a trade given the circumstances. I actually think both of them have stepped up to tell the team how it is instead of playing out their contract and walking away. There is a reasonable chance that had one or the other not said something, we would end up with neither of them. KAT has a right to not want to associate with Butler. Every one of us has the right to just go and find a new job when that happens (and I have before). This is the only option KAT (and Bulter) have for deciding who they work with. While I agree it would have been better for them to figure out a way to put it behind them and move on, some times it's too far along. KAT pulling the trigger on this now, is quite literally the best option for everyone involved. It's better for the team, who can now get something for Butler. It's better for Butler, so he can now get his max contract. It's better for the team that trades for Butler cause they can have the best chance of keeping him (and maybe getting Irving in the process). And we don't have to deal with another season of water and oil on the court. I agree that KAT played a big role in this: he was the only one with the balls to do the right thing. None of these clowns cares about me and you. All they care about is getting their share of the pie. Which is not right, considering we pay for that pie one way or another. You are very right here: this is the best outcome for both of them. It only sucks for me and you having to sit thru another lost season of crappy basketball and (hopefully) coaching and FO changes. The way I see it, they should be doing everything possible to make the team currently employing them successful. If that means swallowing your pride and playing alongside a guy you don't like, so be it. I personally believe that both of them care about having a work environment they don't dread going to...like every single one of us. They are people, too. And, before someone goes "they get paid lots of money to play a game", who cares? First, they may hate the game and play only because they are good at it and can make a lot of money. And, even if they love their jobs, should they have to hate going to work because they don't like their coworkers? I would (and have) just gone out and found a new job. They at least both told their current jobs what they wanted to happen, and what they could do if that can't happen. I don't need KAT to get my permission to decide he doesn't want to play with Butler. But, if all they cared about was "their share of the pie", chances are this wouldn't be going on. They care about more than that. And, I don't think it sucks for you and me. We can sit through that season this year or next. Either way, we are sitting through a season with only one (or maybe neither) of them. If it's now, we get something for it. If it's next season, we don't. Unless, of course, you are suggesting that both Butler and Towns waive their right to leave their "current team" ever, cause then we wouldn't have the lull season. And, after watching a good amount of the season last season, I don't think we are missing much with them parting ways. I would actually tend to think forcing us to watch the status quo from last season would be the worst thing for us. And, adding Toliver isn't changing the status quo from last season. You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion. I just think that if this rift is unmendable, they are both doing us favors by blowing it up now. Move on and get some talent here that will work for long term success in MN. I do get the feeling that Butler was going to force a trade by the deadline no matter what happened. Getting a full season of Butler is worth more than a playoff run with Butler. Chances are we will net slightly more assets when the dust settles.
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Post by cory on Sept 20, 2018 16:01:53 GMT -6
Lowe: Says that teams don’t want to give Jimmy the 5/190, they prefer the 4 year deal and not having to trade assets for him. Jon Krawczynski✔@jonkrawczynski In canvassing the league, there are a number of teams interested in Jimmy Butler. Not all of them would need assurances that Butler will sign long-term. Still unsure if Thibs will change stance and start engaging in trade talks.That sounds absurd to me. If Thibs is unwilling to engage in Butler trade talks he's looking to get fired on purpose. So far I have not minded Taylor in this whole situation. He put up a lot of money for Thibs and wanting to give that person every shot they can to do the job you hired them to do has been the right thing. You can definitely say now that it is time to cut bait and not doing so would be disastrous.
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Post by firethibs on Sept 20, 2018 16:24:48 GMT -6
Lowe: Says that teams don’t want to give Jimmy the 5/190, they prefer the 4 year deal and not having to trade assets for him. Jon Krawczynski✔@jonkrawczynski In canvassing the league, there are a number of teams interested in Jimmy Butler. Not all of them would need assurances that Butler will sign long-term. Still unsure if Thibs will change stance and start engaging in trade talks.That sounds absurd to me. If Thibs is unwilling to engage in Butler trade talks he's looking to get fired on purpose. Who knows if thats true or if its just the Wolves attempting to not look so desperate to move Jimmy. My fear is that if Thibs is allowed to find the jimmy deal he is going to look for some mediocre veteran "win now" guys in an attempt to get back to the playoffs this year in order to save his job. I would much rather we try to get a younger guy and/or a pick and roll the dice on someone with some upside
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Post by cory on Sept 20, 2018 18:37:19 GMT -6
www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24733577/jimmy-butler-minnesota-timberwolves-seeking-trade-brooklyn-nets-la-clippers-new-york-knicksA Tobias and SGA package is really appealing to me. I have a feeling there is going to be a lot of teams connected to Butler outside of the original 3 that were listed. I also doubt he cares where he goes as long as he is seen as the franchise player. I'm sure he hopes to have another star like Kyrie join him but I think he cares more about being the unquestioned best player and franchise cornerstone along with getting the supertax. Would Phoenix offer Josh Jackson and other pieces? I think we can get a good return, and probably better fits for what the roster needs compared to what we moved to get Butler in the first place.
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Post by levine on Sept 20, 2018 18:48:51 GMT -6
www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24733577/jimmy-butler-minnesota-timberwolves-seeking-trade-brooklyn-nets-la-clippers-new-york-knicksA Tobias and SGA package is really appealing to me. I have a feeling there is going to be a lot of teams connected to Butler outside of the original 3 that were listed. I also doubt he cares where he goes as long as he is seen as the franchise player. I'm sure he hopes to have another star like Kyrie join him but I think he cares more about being the unquestioned best player and franchise cornerstone along with getting the supertax. Would Phoenix offer Josh Jackson and other pieces? I think we can get a good return, and probably better fits for what the roster needs compared to what we moved to get Butler in the first place. Harris/SGA would be a solid return. I'd try to get a pick as well. From Phoenix I'd rather go after Bridges. I liked Jackson in the draft, but man, every one of his red flags showed up last season.
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Post by Nick K on Sept 20, 2018 20:51:18 GMT -6
www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24733577/jimmy-butler-minnesota-timberwolves-seeking-trade-brooklyn-nets-la-clippers-new-york-knicksA Tobias and SGA package is really appealing to me. I have a feeling there is going to be a lot of teams connected to Butler outside of the original 3 that were listed. I also doubt he cares where he goes as long as he is seen as the franchise player. I'm sure he hopes to have another star like Kyrie join him but I think he cares more about being the unquestioned best player and franchise cornerstone along with getting the supertax. Would Phoenix offer Josh Jackson and other pieces? I think we can get a good return, and probably better fits for what the roster needs compared to what we moved to get Butler in the first place. Harris/SGA would be a solid return. I'd try to get a pick as well. From Phoenix I'd rather go after Bridges. I liked Jackson in the draft, but man, every one of his red flags showed up last season. OMG! I loved Mikal Bridges in the draft. If we could get him, a pick, ++......, for Jimmy, I'd do it and be super happy. It's a huge gamble. We're giving up a ready made All-Star after all. We're rolling the dice big time....... but!
I would pay to see Bridges, Wigs and Towns together.
Don't even get me thinking about it!
Oh please....Oh please..Oh please!
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Post by boognish on Sept 21, 2018 9:07:04 GMT -6
Sam Amico: "I wouldn’t trade for him," the opposing GM told Amico Hoops. "Someone will, eventually. But he’s a problem." "I’m not buying much of anything being put out there," the opposing GM told Amico Hoops. "Butler’s reps are probably the source for most of this stuff, so we’re probably only hearing the very best of Butler being reported. But the guy has been two places, hasn’t really won (anything) and is causing issues. He has an inflated view of his own importance if you ask me. I wouldn’t want him on my team." "He didn’t want to play in Chicago, he doesn’t want to play in Minnesota," the opposing GM said. "Does he actually even want to play? Or does he just have people kiss his ass and receive a big paycheck? "Look, there is no doubt Jimmy is extremely talented. He can help you win games. He gets after it on defense. But he’s not proven to be a team player. It’s one thing to put up numbers. How about having your teammates’ back and being a leader? He doesn’t do those things. I doubt he ever will. The opposing GM wasn’t finished. "He’s been a huge hassle for everyone I’ve talked to with both (the Bulls and Timberwolves)," the GM said. "I don’t care where they trade him. He’s still going to be there. Changing uniforms isn’t going to change Jimmy Butler. He needs to change himself. I wouldn’t take that risk. For Jimmy, it’s always all about Jimmy. Forget that, man." That was my concern from the get-go, but I believed guys like Britt who repeatedly said what a great guy he was in the locker room, how he was helping our young guys develop, and how KAT was a lazy baby. Britt and the others have suddenly changed their tunes. From now on I'm taking these writers with a HUGE grain of salt, no matter how well they write.
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Post by levine on Sept 21, 2018 9:49:11 GMT -6
Adrian Wojnarowski✔@wojespn
Story filed to ESPN: Rival executives lobbing calls to Minnesota’s front office on possibility of trading for Jimmy Butler are getting inquires shut down. Minnesota is telling teams that Butler’s an elite player and franchise intends to keep him. Rival executives lobbing calls to Minnesota’s front office on the possibility of trading for four-time All-Star forward Jimmy Butler are getting their inquiries rebuffed, league sources told ESPN.
In the aftermath of Butler’s trade request this week, Minnesota executives are telling teams that Butler’s an elite player and that the franchise intends to keep him, league sources said.
Often that’s an opening message that’s followed with a query on what a prospective trade partner might offer in a hypothetical deal, but that hasn’t been the case in the Timberwolves dialogue with teams late this week, sources said.
Nevertheless, Timberwolves owner Glen Taylor plans to be heavily involved in the decision-making process with President of Basketball Operations Tom Thibodeau and GM Scott Layden, league sources said. Rival executives lobbing calls to Minnesota’s front office on the possibility of trading for four-time All-Star forward Jimmy Butler are getting their inquiries rebuffed, league sources told ESPN.
In the aftermath of Butler’s trade request this week, Minnesota executives are telling teams that Butler’s an elite player and that the franchise intends to keep him, league sources said.
Often that’s an opening message that’s followed with a query on what a prospective trade partner might offer in a hypothetical deal, but that hasn’t been the case in the Timberwolves dialogue with teams late this week, sources said.
Nevertheless, Timberwolves owner Glen Taylor plans to be heavily involved in the decision-making process with President of Basketball Operations Tom Thibodeau and GM Scott Layden, league sources said.
Thibodeau doesn’t want to trade Butler, especially in a scenario that imperils the franchise’s ability to reach the playoffs for a second straight year after missing the postseason the previous 13 seasons, league sources said.
Because of Thibodeau’s uncertain long-term status with ownership, Taylor could have a different view on how to handle the trade request given the possibility that Butler could leave Minnesota in summer free agency without the Wolves getting back the kind of assets that would come with a trade. Thibodeau doesn’t want to trade Butler, especially in a scenario that imperils the franchise’s ability to reach the playoffs for a second straight year after missing the postseason the previous 13 seasons, league sources said.
Because of Thibodeau’s uncertain long-term status with ownership, Taylor could have a different view on how to handle the trade request given the possibility that Butler could leave Minnesota in summer free agency without the Wolves getting back the kind of assets that would come with a trade. 8:31 AM - Sep 21, 2018
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Post by cory on Sept 21, 2018 9:56:34 GMT -6
Adrian Wojnarowski✔@wojespn Because of Thibodeau’s uncertain long-term status with ownership, Taylor could have a different view on how to handle the trade request given the possibility that Butler could leave Minnesota in summer free agency without the Wolves getting back the kind of assets that would come with a trade. Thibodeau doesn’t want to trade Butler, especially in a scenario that imperils the franchise’s ability to reach the playoffs for a second straight year after missing the postseason the previous 13 seasons, league sources said.
I could see this escalating quickly in the next 48 hours to a removal of Thibs and Layden. If Glen had considered it earlier in the summer and Thibs takes a hard line on this as he seems to be, fire him. This isn't going to work anymore.
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Post by levine on Sept 21, 2018 10:02:27 GMT -6
Adrian Wojnarowski✔@wojespn Because of Thibodeau’s uncertain long-term status with ownership, Taylor could have a different view on how to handle the trade request given the possibility that Butler could leave Minnesota in summer free agency without the Wolves getting back the kind of assets that would come with a trade. Thibodeau doesn’t want to trade Butler, especially in a scenario that imperils the franchise’s ability to reach the playoffs for a second straight year after missing the postseason the previous 13 seasons, league sources said.
I could see this escalating quickly in the next 48 hours to a removal of Thibs and Layden. If Glen had considered it earlier in the summer and Thibs takes a hard line on this as he seems to be, fire him. This isn't going to work anymore. I think Thibs could be gone quickly, but I'd bet that Layden stays on as interim GM. I don't think you can find and hire a new GM days before TC starts.
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Post by firethibs on Sept 21, 2018 10:09:21 GMT -6
I could see this escalating quickly in the next 48 hours to a removal of Thibs and Layden. If Glen had considered it earlier in the summer and Thibs takes a hard line on this as he seems to be, fire him. This isn't going to work anymore. I think Thibs could be gone quickly, but I'd bet that Layden stays on as interim GM. I don't think you can find and hire a new GM days before TC starts. I'd be happy enough with that. I want us to have the person in charge of making the jimmy trade be someone who doesn't have to be a "win now" mode. If the best Jimmy deal out there is for youth/picks - then I want to take that. I think Thibs would rather trade for mediocre vets and attempt to make the playoffs again to save his job.
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Post by Bob Oppenheimer on Sept 21, 2018 10:33:09 GMT -6
seems like things are clearly too far gone, but I guess thibs is going to try to smooth things over? either him (most likely) or us have the wrong understanding of where things really are.
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Post by Nick K on Sept 21, 2018 10:38:37 GMT -6
I think Thibs could be gone quickly, but I'd bet that Layden stays on as interim GM. I don't think you can find and hire a new GM days before TC starts. I'd be happy enough with that. I want us to have the person in charge of making the jimmy trade be someone who doesn't have to be a "win now" mode. If the best Jimmy deal out there is for youth/picks - then I want to take that. I think Thibs would rather trade for mediocre vets and attempt to make the playoffs again to save his job. Butler has asked to be traded before the start of the season so I find it hard to believe that he'd be here for the camp kick-off. Not to mention KAT threats "it's him or me" makes a trade highly likely.
I do think this might be a weak attempt to not look too anxious for a trade thus increasing Butlers value.
I agree with Levine that Layden stays. That's the practical approach. Come on Glen, grow a pair and take back your basketball team. Let's have a fresh start to the new season.
I'm not a Layden fan but I'm ok with him as GM this year until we can find a new one.
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Post by levine on Sept 21, 2018 10:38:54 GMT -6
Thibs = lame duck:
Adrian Wojnarowski✔@wojespn Among teams probing for an avenue to make a Butler deal in near future, there’s a strong belief that working through ownership is the way to go. Taylor is attending league meetings today in New York.
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Post by Nick K on Sept 21, 2018 10:47:00 GMT -6
Thibs = lame duck:Adrian Wojnarowski✔@wojespn Among teams probing for an avenue to make a Butler deal in near future, there’s a strong belief that working through ownership is the way to go. Taylor is attending league meetings today in New York. Good stuff Levine. That's a revealing post.
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Post by kingsxman on Sept 21, 2018 11:03:40 GMT -6
Please....end the Thibs madness Glen....
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Post by XRaySpecs on Sept 21, 2018 11:08:44 GMT -6
I dont want anything to do with Lorenzo Ball.... keep that circus out of town... Plus, Tyus should be our starting PG. That move only throws more shade his way. I may be one of the only people who is actually a bit excited about the possibility of turning Butler into a better fitting long term piece. I see 2 benefits of Butler leaving: lose the drama and lose the coach. Of course...no guarantees that we hire a better coach....but at least we have a shot at hiring a better coach. This organization and team are a shit show right now Taylor and LaVar deserve each other. And Tyus and Ball would actually make for a really solid backcourt pairing. Ball is already a stud defender with plenty of size to guard SGs, and Tyus is a terrific defensive PG. And the ball doesn't stick in either guy's hands ever. Our ball movement and ability to get players shots where they want them would be tremendous. How would a Lakers deal work logistically? They can't trade any of their FAs until Dec right? They'd need to put Ingram and Ball plus more in the deal just for matching?
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Post by levine on Sept 21, 2018 12:56:57 GMT -6
THIS ONE!!! DO THIS ONE!!!! WASHINGTON How about Otto Porter, Kelly Oubre, and Markieff Morris for Gibson and Butler? Would the Wiz have to toss in a pick? I'm unconvinced. Minnesota gets three legit rotation players for a post-Butler playoff push, and two versatile young wings in Oubre and Porter. This deal pushes Minnesota a hair over the tax, but they'd be able to duck back under. (The simpler deal -- Porter and Oubre for Butler -- takes Minnesota too far over.) Washington has no means to pay Oubre with John Wall, Bradley Beal, and Porter earning (gulp) $92 million between them in 2019-20. If Butler walks, getting off Porter's salary and opening some breathing room -- even if Porter is a really good complementary player -- eases the pain. It might be worth the risk. This would be my 2nd choice: MILWAUKEE The Bucks placed a courtesy "keep us in the loop" call with Minnesota, sources say, and a package built around Khris Middleton (also set to be a free agent) and one future asset -- a pick, Thon Maker, something -- makes some sense. I just don't see it. Milwaukee has a better chance retaining Middleton than they'd have with Butler. www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24753362/zach-lowe-trade-market-minnesota-timberwolves-jimmy-butler
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Post by Scorched on Sept 21, 2018 13:27:26 GMT -6
I'd be all over that Washington deal, I've loved Porter since the draft. THIS ONE!!! DO THIS ONE!!!! WASHINGTON How about Otto Porter, Kelly Oubre, and Markieff Morris for Gibson and Butler? Would the Wiz have to toss in a pick? I'm unconvinced. Minnesota gets three legit rotation players for a post-Butler playoff push, and two versatile young wings in Oubre and Porter. This deal pushes Minnesota a hair over the tax, but they'd be able to duck back under. (The simpler deal -- Porter and Oubre for Butler -- takes Minnesota too far over.) Washington has no means to pay Oubre with John Wall, Bradley Beal, and Porter earning (gulp) $92 million between them in 2019-20. If Butler walks, getting off Porter's salary and opening some breathing room -- even if Porter is a really good complementary player -- eases the pain. It might be worth the risk. This would be my 2nd choice: MILWAUKEE The Bucks placed a courtesy "keep us in the loop" call with Minnesota, sources say, and a package built around Khris Middleton (also set to be a free agent) and one future asset -- a pick, Thon Maker, something -- makes some sense. I just don't see it. Milwaukee has a better chance retaining Middleton than they'd have with Butler. www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24753362/zach-lowe-trade-market-minnesota-timberwolves-jimmy-butler
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Post by Nick K on Sept 21, 2018 13:30:39 GMT -6
September 21st, 2018 at 10:55am CST by Luke Adams
Darren Wolfson of 1500 ESPN said on a podcast this week that Towns wants the Wolves to “figure out” the Butler situation before committing to a huge new deal.
“I’m led to believe that a big reason why he hasn’t signed it is that he – through his agent, Leon Rose – went to the Wolves and said, ‘Hey, I can’t coexist with Jimmy. Do something about it,'” Wolfson said. “So, figure out the Jimmy situation. On top of that – whether it’s right or wrong – this is the way he feels, that it’s been Jimmy and Thibs ganging up on him.”
While Thibodeau is adamantly opposed to trading Butler, team owner Glen Taylor intends to be involved in the decision-making process along with Thibodeau and GM Scott Layden, league sources tell Wojnarowski. It remains to be seen if Taylor will have a different view on how to handle Butler’s trade request. ------------------------------------
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Post by levine on Sept 21, 2018 13:31:00 GMT -6
I'd be all over that Washington deal, I've loved Porter since the draft. THIS ONE!!! DO THIS ONE!!!! WASHINGTON How about Otto Porter, Kelly Oubre, and Markieff Morris for Gibson and Butler? Would the Wiz have to toss in a pick? I'm unconvinced. Minnesota gets three legit rotation players for a post-Butler playoff push, and two versatile young wings in Oubre and Porter. This deal pushes Minnesota a hair over the tax, but they'd be able to duck back under. (The simpler deal -- Porter and Oubre for Butler -- takes Minnesota too far over.) Washington has no means to pay Oubre with John Wall, Bradley Beal, and Porter earning (gulp) $92 million between them in 2019-20. If Butler walks, getting off Porter's salary and opening some breathing room -- even if Porter is a really good complementary player -- eases the pain. It might be worth the risk. This would be my 2nd choice: MILWAUKEE The Bucks placed a courtesy "keep us in the loop" call with Minnesota, sources say, and a package built around Khris Middleton (also set to be a free agent) and one future asset -- a pick, Thon Maker, something -- makes some sense. I just don't see it. Milwaukee has a better chance retaining Middleton than they'd have with Butler. www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24753362/zach-lowe-trade-market-minnesota-timberwolves-jimmy-butlerIt amazes me that Lowe thinks they’d have to add a pick. Honestly…I’d add a pick to make it happen…But I absolutely love Porter (he'd be so ideal on this team) and Oubre seems to be coming into his own. And Morris is expiring. We'd suddenly be a young, fun team again - only Porter and Oubre are WAY better than LaVine and Dunn.
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Post by XRaySpecs on Sept 21, 2018 14:08:12 GMT -6
If you're Toronto, do you go nuclear and make Anunoby available? A team with Lowry, Butler and Kawhi would be so tough defensively and the hope would be that they could get both Butler and Kawhi to resign. I believe Lowry and Butler are friends.
The other trick would be a workable trade financially as both Green and Miles would be needed for matching which would decimate the Raptors wing depth.
Would you do it if the deal for Anunoby if you had to take Powell's contract?
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